depends if its raining

now since i answered your question you must answer mine: since air has mass and is experiencing acceleration - then a plane traveling from North to south should need to resist this force, and your inside a closed environment excuse doesn't really apply to the changing acceleration levels as well as you have no proof there is a solid barrier between the positive air pressure of earth and the perfect vacuum of infinite space. Please explain these hypocritical believes you typically disregard.

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 3 2018 03:58am

Oh. We're back to not understanding the difference between a de facto closed environment and a de jure closed environment?

Propulsion from the jets


The FE'ers are the ones who claim this


Not fully, lets say it isn't raining then what?
heres the debate

Chivas believes the water in the atmosphere magnifies the view of the sun so that it appears the same size as it moves away and gives the setting effect due to perspective
He also claimed that the water in the atmosphere is gas causing this effect

You agree with this or not?
what's your belief?

This post was edited by kai_jph on May 3 2018 04:08am

a de facto closed environment is 100% faith- i want actual proof and you have absolutely none.
and that excuse does not really apply to the changing huge acceleration of the cross wind as one would fly though unless you can provide proof that the air in a car goes 0 mph near the door to 1000mph near the center.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
There's no cross wind from space because space provides no resistance.

They resist 1000 mph cross winds with jets - haha, cool story




so you think were in an open environment - so know you really need to explain the missing force a cross wind would need to resist, opps.



Water causes atmospheric refraction, this however doesn't cause the perspective of the sun setting - this is caused by the overriding of the rising optical plane and the lowering of the sky plane which intersect at your optical horizon and distance no longer being able to render. (because the optically rising plane is already there)

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 3 2018 04:27am

The air at the North pole is moving at 0 mph while the air at the equator is moving at 1000 mph - you need to prove this physical barrier to the stronger force of the
infinite vacuum of space or account for these forces that a plane would need to resist to allow propulsion in any direction?

And i'm sorry - your de-facto faith is missing actual evidence-oh

You never seen a plane take off, fly or used one?
In any case lets hear your theory how it works


No just not an impenetrable layer or dome as the FE believe - You don't believe in gravity so no point


That's all I wanted to know. (what you believe in)

This post was edited by kai_jph on May 3 2018 04:43am

How "fast" an air mass is "moving" is relative (there's that word again) to a basis point. There is no physical barrier. I know it's sooooooo hard for you to wrap your mind around it, but your inability to grasp reality doesn't make reality go away. Vacuum isn't stronger than gravity. Propulsion? LOLOLOLOLOL!

LOL