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#491
Mar 27 2017 02:31pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 27 2017 10:26am)
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let's break this down slowly.



it must be this. there is no way around that.



typically implying, "not always but usually"



can be, implying it does not need to constantly be pulled or pushed, simply that WHEN it is it dictates that:



when tension is applied it does this.

END OF DEFINITION



used meaning an example or many examples will follow. in this case its saying the most common use is to exert constant tension, such as a car's suspension, but it can also be used to absorb movement, a seperate and entirely different EXAMPLE that fits the DEFINITION.


right, until you get to constant tension and this does not change whether the spring is expanding or contracting

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#492
Mar 27 2017 02:33pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 03:31pm)
right, until you get to constant tension and this does not change whether the spring is expanding or contracting


More dodging.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 02:13pm)
Because constant tension does not apply to all spring types. There are four main types of springs (which I already pointed out in this thread), and constant-tension is only one of those types, and does not apply to other types (compression, extension, and torsion). An actual constant-tension spring is generally a thin sheet metal that is wrapped around a cylinder, with one end attached to the cylinder, and the other end attached to a loading force.

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/blog/four-different-types-of-springs

This is an example of what a constant-tension spring looks like:

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/hs-fs/hub/187731/file-1253863579-jpg/springs-4.jpg
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#493
Mar 27 2017 02:35pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 10:29am)
You're still dodging this:



And what you're trying to define as "segmented tension" (insofar as a Slinky) is a longitudinal wave, not segmented tension.


A longitudinal wave has to do with sound, see how your just grabbing unrelated stuff to confirm your bias
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#494
Mar 27 2017 02:38pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 03:35pm)
A longitudinal wave has to do with sound, see how your just grabbing unrelated stuff to confirm your bias


Wrong.

https://users.wpi.edu/~physics/ph1140d09/Labs/Slinky.pdf

And you're still dodging the fact that a constant-tension spring is a specific subset of the overall group of springs, and not indicative of all springs in general.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 02:13pm)
Because constant tension does not apply to all spring types. There are four main types of springs (which I already pointed out in this thread), and constant-tension is only one of those types, and does not apply to other types (compression, extension, and torsion). An actual constant-tension spring is generally a thin sheet metal that is wrapped around a cylinder, with one end attached to the cylinder, and the other end attached to a loading force.

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/blog/four-different-types-of-springs

This is an example of what a constant-tension spring looks like:

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/hs-fs/hub/187731/file-1253863579-jpg/springs-4.jpg
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#495
Mar 27 2017 02:39pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 12:38pm)
Wrong.

https://users.wpi.edu/~physics/ph1140d09/Labs/Slinky.pdf

And you're still dodging the fact that a constant-tension spring is a specific subset of the overall group of springs, and not indicative of all springs in general.


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#496
Mar 27 2017 02:39pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 02:31pm)
right, until you get to constant tension and this does not change whether the spring is expanding or contracting


no.

Quote
used chiefly to exert constant tension or absorb movement


the word "or" has meaning. as i said before "or" implies thing on both sides of it don't affect each other. so absorbing movement and constant tension, and neither is a prerequisite to fit the definition of a spring.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 02:38pm)
Wrong.

https://users.wpi.edu/~physics/ph1140d09/Labs/Slinky.pdf

And you're still dodging the fact that a constant-tension spring is a specific subset of the overall group of springs, and not indicative of all springs in general.


slammed. set him up so easily, predictable card....

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Mar 27 2017 02:54pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 10:38am)
Wrong.

https://users.wpi.edu/~physics/ph1140d09/Labs/Slinky.pdf

And you're still dodging the fact that a constant-tension spring is a specific subset of the overall group of springs, and not indicative of all springs in general.


Please reread it - heys saying a slinky force works like a longitudinal wave - not is a longitude wave.


Its force is up and down - segmented tension , not constant.

Also he doesn't say a slinky is a spring


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#498
Mar 27 2017 02:57pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 03:54pm)
Please reread it - heys saying a slinky force works like a longitudinal wave - not is a longitude wave.

Also he doesn't say a slinky is a spring


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I'm not saying it is either. I'm saying you're fabricating terms (segmented tension) to try to describe the function, and I'm telling you that your definition is full of shit.

You STILL haven't addressed this:

Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 02:13pm)
Because constant tension does not apply to all spring types. There are four main types of springs (which I already pointed out in this thread), and constant-tension is only one of those types, and does not apply to other types (compression, extension, and torsion). An actual constant-tension spring is generally a thin sheet metal that is wrapped around a cylinder, with one end attached to the cylinder, and the other end attached to a loading force.

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/blog/four-different-types-of-springs

This is an example of what a constant-tension spring looks like:

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/hs-fs/hub/187731/file-1253863579-jpg/springs-4.jpg
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#499
Mar 27 2017 03:04pm
Conversation beyond this point is useless



:locked: :banana:

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Mar 27 2017 03:05pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 03:04pm)
Conversation beyond this point is useless

http://i.imgur.com/rEDkZHj.png

:locked: :banana:


if by this point you mean the first time you doubled down and said "a slinky is not a spring" even though it is based on your own definition, i agree. we have indeed all wasted a lot of our time talking with you. trying to get you to own your own posts. big mistake by us.
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