Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 14 2023 02:48am)

exists only in the wild atheist/antitheist imagination, magical morphing monkeys
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Quote (Vastet @ Aug 14 2023 02:55am)

Monkey boy doesn't understand evolution and morphing are 2 very different things.

Quote (TiStuff @ 14 Aug 2023 06:28)

your one of them on the left....... but that only proves genetic entropy

Quote (Vastet @ 14 Aug 2023 04:22)

Simple. A gnostic atheist is denial of any or all gods. People generally refer to these as militant atheists, though militant atheists are not always gnostic atheists. It is a position I would consider to be foolish at best. Good luck proving there isn't a god.

I can understand your issue that this is semantical, but from my perspective it is a very important distinction. Atheism has been subverted to mean antireligious. Because the mere existence of atheism is a threat to organized religion, organized religion has spent the last few centuries demonizing the term. Most people think atheism means anti god, but it just means without god. The literal translation of atheist from Latin is simply without god. It isn't no god or anti god, just without god.

Agnosticism just means you don't know, or you can't know (or believe you can't know). It is not a statement about belief in any way, it is about knowledge. Saying one is agnostic is akin to saying nothing. Of course you don't know, noone knows. Anyone saying they know is a liar. Everyone who is reasonable is agnostic. Theist and atheist alike.

Quote (Vastet @ Aug 14 2023 03:42am)

You're closer to the left than I am.

Quote (death_knight @ 14 Aug 2023 06:50)

You got me on an gnostic atheist. By that measure I'm certainly an agnostic atheist which is helpful for our discussion. But for talking with theists, it seems to only pollute and even serve their arguments because while the ideas are closely related by virtue of not having evidence, they do not provide sufficient evidence against the claim that God does exist. In light of these definitions, I see myself as neutral because whatever I believe does not change what is. It is within this set of self evident physics that appears to invalidate almost all religious claims. If any religious claims are true, they are within the context of abstraction not physical history. In this sense, I believe we as philosophers have reached the next level of logic and reasoning. Perhaps this what was meant by the 'death of God'.

Quote (TiStuff @ 14 Aug 2023 06:57)

hmmmmmmmmmmmm?? .............wait A minute?????????????? https://media.tenor.com/IJwsfw7ToiQAAAAd/wait-what.gif
monkey on the left????......................democrat on the left?????????????
therefore?????????????
................................................................ VASTET A DEMOCRAT

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Quote (Vastet @ Aug 14 2023 03:22am)

Simple. A gnostic atheist is denial of any or all gods. People generally refer to these as militant atheists, though militant atheists are not always gnostic atheists. It is a position I would consider to be foolish at best. Good luck proving there isn't a god.

I can understand your issue that this is semantical, but from my perspective it is a very important distinction. Atheism has been subverted to mean antireligious. Because the mere existence of atheism is a threat to organized religion, organized religion has spent the last few centuries demonizing the term. Most people think atheism means anti god, but it just means without god. The literal translation of atheist from Latin is simply without god. It isn't no god or anti god, just without god.

Agnosticism just means you don't know, or you can't know (or believe you can't know). It is not a statement about belief in any way, it is about knowledge. Saying one is agnostic is akin to saying nothing. Of course you don't know, noone knows. Anyone saying they know is a liar. Everyone who is reasonable is agnostic. Theist and atheist alike.

Quote (Nirjan @ Aug 14 2023 03:34am)

we got atheists arguing over what sub genre of atheist they are