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Mar 27 2017 02:18pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Mar 27 2017 10:15am)
Lol, it says the conjunction "or" right after (or absorb movement) -- that gives another potential match to the definition. You don't have your listening eyes on :(


In this case the "or" does not change the fact that whether the spring is contracting or expanding it still need to be a constant force throughout
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Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 03:15pm)
Segmented tension is not a constant tension spring :bonk:


And now he's introducing more concepts that he doesn't understand.

Here's a segmented tension system (which, incidentally, looks nothing like a Slinky).

http://www.dfe.com/products/segmented_tension_roll.html
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I am wrong.


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Mar 27 2017 02:20pm
Quote (card_sultan @ 27 Mar 2017 21:15)
Segmented tension is not a constant tension spring :bonk:


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Mar 27 2017 02:25pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 12:18pm)
In this case the "or" does not change the fact that whether the spring is contracting or expanding it still need to be a constant force throughout


or absorb movement

It's really not that hard... you're making this into a huge deal
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Mar 27 2017 02:26pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 02:18pm)
In this case the "or" does not change the fact that whether the spring is contracting or expanding it still need to be a constant force throughout


:huh:

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a resilient device, typically a helical metal coil, that can be pressed or pulled but returns to its former shape when released, used chiefly to exert constant tension or absorb movement.


let's break this down slowly.

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a resilient device


it must be this. there is no way around that.

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typically a helical metal coil


typically implying, "not always but usually"

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that can be pressed or pulled


can be, implying it does not need to constantly be pulled or pushed, simply that WHEN it is it dictates that:

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but returns to its former shape when released


when tension is applied it does this.

END OF DEFINITION

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used chiefly to exert constant tension or absorb movement


used meaning an example or many examples will follow. in this case its saying the most common use is to exert constant tension, such as a car's suspension, but it can also be used to absorb movement, a seperate and entirely different EXAMPLE that fits the DEFINITION.

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Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 10:18am)
And now he's introducing more concepts that he doesn't understand.

Here's a segmented tension system (which, incidentally, looks nothing like a Slinky).

http://www.dfe.com/products/segmented_tension_roll.html


That is segmented tension used in a roll.

Here's the difference - if you have an object of Length AB and you pull at point a, point b will reflect this change of force because its a constant tension

In a slinky of ab length and you pull on a - the other end is unaffected because all the force is just put into the next coil because it is using segmented tension

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Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 12:28pm)
That is segmented tention used in a roll.

Here's the difference - if you have an object of Length AB and you pull at point a, point b will reflect this change of force because its a constant force

In a slinky of ab length and you pull on a - the other end is unaffected because all the force is just put into the next coil because it is using segmented tension


but it's absorbing movement.

Try to keep up, please

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That is segmented tention used in a roll.

Here's the difference - if you have an object of Length AB and you pull at point a, point b will reflect this change of force because its a constant force

In a slinky of ab length and you pull on a - the other end is unaffected because all the force is just put into the next coil because it is using segmented tension


wat :huh:
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Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 27 2017 03:28pm)
That is segmented tension used in a roll.

Here's the difference - if you have an object of Length AB and you pull at point a, point b will reflect this change of force because its a constant tension

In a slinky of ab length and you pull on a - the other end is unaffected because all the force is just put into the next coil because it is using segmented tension


You're still dodging this:

Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 27 2017 02:13pm)
Because constant tension does not apply to all spring types. There are four main types of springs (which I already pointed out in this thread), and constant-tension is only one of those types, and does not apply to other types (compression, extension, and torsion). An actual constant-tension spring is generally a thin sheet metal that is wrapped around a cylinder, with one end attached to the cylinder, and the other end attached to a loading force.

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/blog/four-different-types-of-springs

This is an example of what a constant-tension spring looks like:

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/hs-fs/hub/187731/file-1253863579-jpg/springs-4.jpg


And what you're trying to define as "segmented tension" (insofar as a Slinky) is a longitudinal wave, not segmented tension.

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