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Jun 23 2023 08:50am
Quote (TiStuff @ Jun 23 2023 06:51am)
do you even know what the definition of science is?



science hasnt the foggiest idea how life could have arouse out of some kind of naturalistic accidental means. anyone say it did dont have a clue about the science they profess to study. atheists/antitheists will even admit it if one is really "observable"
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excerpt: Paleontologists have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.
[Evolution’s Erratic Pace - "Natural History," May, 1977]”
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Do you know the definition of religion? A scam for the weak winded


E/ your desperate poll has already been wrecked by anonymous votes

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What? Interpolation / extrapolation is applied mathematics. In fact, it is used to assign validity to a prediction. The distinction is critical to something like evolution so I recommend you research the concepts.


ex·tra·po·la·tion
noun
noun: extrapolation; plural noun: extrapolations
the action of estimating or concluding something by assuming that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable.

extrapolate according to your belief. its not hard science. it could also be called "according to imaginary process" though
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Do you know the definition of religion? A scam for the weak winded


E/ your desperate poll has already been wrecked by anonymous votes


you have no idea your the most religious of them all
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ex·tra·po·la·tion
noun
noun: extrapolation; plural noun: extrapolations
the action of estimating or concluding something by assuming that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable.

extrapolate according to your belief. its not hard science. it could also be called "according to imaginary process" though


No it can't be called that. Interpolation is a result or prediction taken from with a range of data. Extrapolation is a prediction that goes beyond what is actually known. For example:

The data:

I walk into a pen and counted 100 white sheep. Each sheep has an ear tag numbered 1-100. There are exactly 100 white sheep in total.

Interpolated statement: If I take 50 sheep out of the field, there will be 50 sheep left. This statement is true because it can be proven directly the data.

Extrapolated statement: Since all the sheep are white, the baby sheep of the next generation will be white. This statement cannot be proven because we don't actually know if the next generation will be white. We are basing that on the information we have clearly heritability of genes requires more information.

Make sense?

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No it can't be called that. Interpolation is a result or prediction taken from with a range of data. Extrapolation is a prediction that goes beyond what is actually known. For example:

The data:

I walk into a pen and counted 100 white sheep. Each sheep has an ear tag numbered 1-100. There are exactly 100 white sheep in total.

Interpolated statement: If I take 50 sheep out of the field, there will be 50 sheep left. This statement is true because it can be proven directly the data.

Extrapolated statement: Since all the sheep are white, the baby sheep of the next generation will be white. This statement cannot be proven because we don't actually know if the next generation will be white. We are basing that on the information we have clearly heritability of genes requires more information.

Make sense?


it doesnt work with white sheep but its good enough to prove "macro" evolution?
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you have no idea your the most religious of them all


Must be huh, preach to your sheep
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Quote (BigSmokeHarold @ Jun 23 2023 09:17am)
Must be huh, preach to your sheep


preach to "the " sheep
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Quote (TiStuff @ 23 Jun 2023 10:17)
it doesnt work with white sheep but its good enough to prove "macro" evolution?


What are you talking about? I was showing how interpolation and extrapolation are used to form theories. The relationship to evolution is the amount of data that has been collected. After thousands of experiments and observations, the data converges on a set of patterns known as speciation. The bulk of this theory is based on interpolated data. Scientists then use this data to make extrapolated statements about the distant past and future. The further they get away from what is actually known, the less likely that statement is to be true.

So there is a lot of things I can say about evolution that I can mathematically prove to you. On the other hand, I doubt any religious claim can be proven in the same way.
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Quote (death_knight @ Jun 23 2023 09:32am)
What are you talking about? I was showing how interpolation and extrapolation are used to form theories. The relationship to evolution is the amount of data that has been collected. After thousands of experiments and observations, the data converges on a set of patterns known as speciation. The bulk of this theory is based on interpolated data. Scientists then use this data to make extrapolated statements about the distant past and future. The further they get away from what is actually known, the less likely that statement is to be true.

So there is a lot of things I can say about evolution that I can mathematically prove to you. On the other hand, I doubt any religious claim can be proven in the same way.


your discussion about interpolation and extrapolation is nothing more than red herring

here is a collection of actual statements from a scientist a atheist scientist. they know "macro" evolution has problems. I show you this kind of stuff repeatedly......... you came back at me with trickery, your only kidding your self.
Stephen Jay Gould > Quotes > Quotable Quote
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7838107-the-extreme-rarity-of-transitional-forms-in-the-fossil-record
excerpt: Paleontologists have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.
[Evolution’s Erratic Pace - "Natural History," May, 1977]”
― Stephen Jay Gould

"So there is a lot of things I can say about evolution that I can mathematically prove to you. On the other hand, I doubt any religious claim can be proven in the same way."
(no one disputes the rather large generic term "evolution")
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Quote (TiStuff @ 23 Jun 2023 10:42)
your discussion about interpolation and extrapolation is nothing more than red herring

here is a collection of actual statements from a scientist a atheist scientist. they know "macro" evolution has problems. I show you this kind of stuff repeatedly......... you came back at me with trickery, your only kidding your self.
Stephen Jay Gould > Quotes > Quotable Quote
[URL]https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7838107-the-extreme-rarity-of-transitional-forms-in-the-fossil-record[/URL]
excerpt: Paleontologists have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.
[Evolution’s Erratic Pace - "Natural History," May, 1977]”
― Stephen Jay Gould

"So there is a lot of things I can say about evolution that I can mathematically prove to you. On the other hand, I doubt any religious claim can be proven in the same way."
(no one disputes the rather large generic term "evolution")


The whole point of this current discussion was in response to Frodo's statement that evolution isn't based on real science. I completely disagree because I have been studying evolution in both chemistry and biology in school. The methods used are very clear and precise. When I talk about mathematical proof, I am referring to the molecular geometry of.living things. Evolution has a specific meaning when defining in the textbook and it's based on chemical observations.

An example of the extreme science behind evolution is the discovery that DNA is a double helix. Before you can understand how this was discovered, you need to understand X-ray diffraction which is quantum mechanics. Then you need to understand how x ray diffraction proves that DNA is a.double helix even though it is too small to see.
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