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Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 29 2020 02:49am)
Man I would so love to go through Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:21-38.

For this post let's look at Luke 1:1-4.

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnessesand servantsof the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

Luke's Gospel is an eyewitness account. Luke went out and interviewed many, many people who told him all of the stories about Jesus. Somebody has gone out and done all of the hard work for you. All you need to do is open the book of Luke and read his orderly account.

What more do you need?


if it's written by people and people are fallible then by default there is a likelihood of fallibility within the text
by default
however,
that being said,
it's the great epic tale. the moral of the story sort of tale. similar to star trek: the next generation
and the greatest show on earth now the Trump Show
the moral of the story, how to get there, what to avoid, and other advices and entertaining anecdotes to help you enjoy the ride along the way
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Feb 29 2020 06:14am
Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 29 2020 12:49am)
Man I would so love to go through Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:21-38.

For this post let's look at Luke 1:1-4.

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnessesand servantsof the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

Luke's Gospel is an eyewitness account. Luke went out and interviewed many, many people who told him all of the stories about Jesus. Somebody has gone out and done all of the hard work for you. All you need to do is open the book of Luke and read his orderly account.

What more do you need?


Luke is not an eyewitness account. It was authored over 70 years after the fact so if it did contain eyewitness accounts it was of witnesses that were children at the time of the incident. Additionally Luke is not a document that was ever intended as a historical record.

If you want historical records of things then apply the same standard to the quran, or the book of Mormon. They both have much stronger evidentiary basis than any gospel.

Do your best to approach this conversation as though I don't already acceot anything in the bible. Ask yourself why I would accept one book over another and why without assuming the truth of either book. You will avoid wasting time on as many unconvincing arguments.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 29 2020 06:16am
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 29 2020 07:14am)
Luke is not an eyewitness account. It was authored over 70 years after the fact so if it did contain eyewitness accounts it was of witnesses that were children at the time of the incident. Additionally Luke is not a document that was ever intended as a historical record.

If you want historical records of things then apply the same standard to the quran, or the book of Mormon. They both have much stronger evidentiary basis than any gospel.

Do your best to approach this conversation as though I don't already acceot anything in the bible. Ask yourself why I would accept one book over another and why without assuming the truth of either book. You will avoid wasting time on as many unconvincing arguments.


That's not true. Luke IS an eyewitness account as is every other book in the Bible. That was one of the criteria for ever being included in the Scriptures in the first place. It had to be written by an Apostle or an associate of an Apostle. The only exceptions were James and Jude who were half Brothers of Christ Himself. Luke was an associate of Paul. Luke is 100% meant to be historical and Biblical.

From Conservapedia.com: https://www.conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Luke

'"The Gospel of Luke is widely considered one of the most beautiful books of its length written. It tells the story of the life of Jesus, being written to Theophilus. Luke does not claim to be an eyewitness, but instead one who has "carefully investigated everything from the beginning" (Luke 1:3) and now wants to "write an orderly account" so that Theophilus would "know the certainty of the things" he had been taught. (Luke 1:3-4) The author Luke was a Gentile, as confirmed by Paul at Colossians 4:11,14. The Gospel of Luke is the 3rd book in the New Testament coming after the Gospels of Matthew and Mark, and before the Gospel of John.

The Gospel of Luke was written in flawless Greek and has been called "the most beautiful book ever written."[1] Only this Gospel tells the parables of the Good Samaritan and the Prodigal Son, and Luke recounts them with exquisite, emotional detail. Only the Gospel of Luke recounts with literary skill the meeting of the risen Lord with the two men walking on their way to Emmaus, whose "eyes were kept from recognizing him."[2]

Luke may have been inspired by the Epistles to the Hebrews, which is perhaps the best-written Greek work in all of history, and which some of Luke's writings (especially parts of the Acts of the Apostles) appear to imitate in style and word choice. Luke is considered one of the synoptic gospels and Luke is generally considered to have borrowed from Mark as one of his sources as did Matthew. It is unknown if Matthew or Luke borrowed from each other or which came first.

Contents
1 Authorship
2 Place of Writing
3 Date
4 See also
5 References
Authorship

This tenth-century Egyptian codex was donated to Pope Eugenius IV by the Coptic delegates at the Council of Ferrara-Florence. Translated from a Coptic original, it is one of the earliest Arabic versions of any part of the New Testament, none of which can be dated before the late eighth or ninth centuries.
The Gospel of Luke does not name its author, but as a companion volume to the book of Acts, it can be inferred by the use of "we" when describing part of Paul's journeys that the author traveled with Paul and Luke, the doctor, becomes the most likely candidate. The extremely sophisticated Greek of Luke also argues for a man who was very educated as does his attention to detail and the medical language in use matches that of other ancient Greek doctors. The ancient church father Irenaeus ascribed the work to Luke as does the Muratorian Canon. It is also mentioned by Clemente of Alexandria."

This post was edited by xfrodobagginsx on Feb 29 2020 12:21pm
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Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Feb 29 2020 12:20pm)
That's not true. Luke IS an eyewitness account as is every other book in the Bible. That was one of the criteria for ever being included in the Scriptures in the first place. It had to be written by an Apostle or an associate of an Apostle. The only exceptions were James and Jude who were half Brothers of Christ Himself. Luke was an associate of Paul. Luke is 100% meant to be historical and Biblical.

From Conservapedia.com: https://www.conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Luke

'"The Gospel of Luke is widely considered one of the most beautiful books of its length written. It tells the story of the life of Jesus, being written to Theophilus. Luke does not claim to be an eyewitness, but instead one who has "carefully investigated everything from the beginning" (Luke 1:3) and now wants to "write an orderly account" so that Theophilus would "know the certainty of the things" he had been taught. (Luke 1:3-4) The author Luke was a Gentile, as confirmed by Paul at Colossians 4:11,14. The Gospel of Luke is the 3rd book in the New Testament coming after the Gospels of Matthew and Mark, and before the Gospel of John.

The Gospel of Luke was written in flawless Greek and has been called "the most beautiful book ever written."[1] Only this Gospel tells the parables of the Good Samaritan and the Prodigal Son, and Luke recounts them with exquisite, emotional detail. Only the Gospel of Luke recounts with literary skill the meeting of the risen Lord with the two men walking on their way to Emmaus, whose "eyes were kept from recognizing him."[2]

Luke may have been inspired by the Epistles to the Hebrews, which is perhaps the best-written Greek work in all of history, and which some of Luke's writings (especially parts of the Acts of the Apostles) appear to imitate in style and word choice. Luke is considered one of the synoptic gospels and Luke is generally considered to have borrowed from Mark as one of his sources as did Matthew. It is unknown if Matthew or Luke borrowed from each other or which came first.

Contents
1 Authorship
2 Place of Writing
3 Date
4 See also
5 References
Authorship

This tenth-century Egyptian codex was donated to Pope Eugenius IV by the Coptic delegates at the Council of Ferrara-Florence. Translated from a Coptic original, it is one of the earliest Arabic versions of any part of the New Testament, none of which can be dated before the late eighth or ninth centuries.
The Gospel of Luke does not name its author, but as a companion volume to the book of Acts, it can be inferred by the use of "we" when describing part of Paul's journeys that the author traveled with Paul and Luke, the doctor, becomes the most likely candidate. The extremely sophisticated Greek of Luke also argues for a man who was very educated as does his attention to detail and the medical language in use matches that of other ancient Greek doctors. The ancient church father Irenaeus ascribed the work to Luke as does the Muratorian Canon. It is also mentioned by Clemente of Alexandria."


The gospels were not written by those who bear their name. Matthew was not written by Matthew, Luke was not written by Luke, etc. etc. Not even the most hard line biblical scholars would claim they were authored by the actual apostles themselves.

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Feb 29 2020 02:25pm
Is this topic about which gods are more fake or about how to get to heaven when I clock out
Ima need like a 3 easy step formula, like how hot to set the oven, how many eggs, cook time. Ez pz sqzy heaven tickit plz
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 29 2020 10:14pm)
Luke is not an eyewitness account. It was authored over 70 years after the fact so if it did contain eyewitness accounts it was of witnesses that were children at the time of the incident. Additionally Luke is not a document that was ever intended as a historical record.

If you want historical records of things then apply the same standard to the quran, or the book of Mormon. They both have much stronger evidentiary basis than any gospel.

Do your best to approach this conversation as though I don't already acceot anything in the bible. Ask yourself why I would accept one book over another and why without assuming the truth of either book. You will avoid wasting time on as many unconvincing arguments.


frodobaggins shows his knowledge. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81496210&f=27&p=555468499

Quote (LoLoutLoud @ Feb 29 2020 09:31pm)
if it's written by people and people are fallible then by default there is a likelihood of fallibility within the text
by default
however,
that being said,
it's the great epic tale. the moral of the story sort of tale. similar to star trek: the next generation
and the greatest show on earth now the Trump Show
the moral of the story, how to get there, what to avoid, and other advices and entertaining anecdotes to help you enjoy the ride along the way


What I would like to know is how all the videos that I have ever watched of the planes crashing into the twin towers weren't real. You said it yourself. Expand on this.

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81496210&f=27&p=555431689
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Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 1 2020 06:39am)
frodobaggins shows his knowledge. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81496210&f=27&p=555468499



What I would like to know is how all the videos that I have ever watched of the planes crashing into the twin towers weren't real. You said it yourself. Expand on this.

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81496210&f=27&p=555431689




the visual of the planes were edited in during the minutes of the actual broadcast
the eye-witness accounts were a result of groupthink and a case of 'the bigger the lie the more easily they will believe it' and trying to make sense of kilometer-tall buildings being felled in front of your eyes
there "Were No Planes on 9/11" with regards to airliner jumbo jets melting twin towers
at all.
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*visuals
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Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 1 2020 06:39am)
frodobaggins shows his knowledge. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81496210&f=27&p=555468499



What I would like to know is how all the videos that I have ever watched of the planes crashing into the twin towers weren't real. You said it yourself. Expand on this.

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81496210&f=27&p=555431689


if you want to begin your journey into the light of some truth, and at least escape the darkness of deception, say here that you want to and i will start you on a good path on youtube. hopefully autoplay will help with the rest. if they haven't banned all the videos tbh the good work that people did
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