my bed has a soft top to provide some give as a side sleeper, and pretty firm for good back support

not a back sleeper


maybe i had it backwards. it might be that heavier people need a superfirm mattress, so that being said maybe your more built like a bear than a twink

i also assume youre a back sleeper


all beds are probably scams, cavemen didnt have them and im sure they lived to ripe old age of late 20s

You are right I am mostly a back sleeper but definitely not some scrawn.

But yea its sad most people are ignorant af about beds and scam themselves for thousands of dollars on beds that only ruin their backs.

Btw what I showed you was basically a Japanese style bed, traditionally they sleep on a hard wooden floor with a (shikibuton) fouton. The people who have the highest lifespans. So you can put those foolish jokes about cavemen to rest (pun intended). It might be funny for you but you only fucking yourself over. Anyway do what want at the end of the day its only your back not mine.

We've considered a tatami room (floors), we'd put it in our spare room then decide if we wanted to move the trend to the main room.
Test it out and move from there.

ahh the japanese. a much smaller, minimalist people

i wonder if they’re all back sleepers

or if they are side sleeping, again being lighter/smaller maybe that factors in

yes they live long, better diets and whatnot

the few that do reproduce barely use epidurals for birth. blew my mind when i found that out

how do they feel when they wake up? maybe they wake up feeling like shit but thats part of their culture i dont know

but i agree the bed industry is likely a scam. i know margins are crazy, cost a fraction to make vs what they sell for

ive tried a lot of different beds and as a non back sleeper super firm is a no go

back sleepers have it easy

Gotta love japan

Western culture is soft full of drugged up walruses and mouth breathers, it's genuinely sad to be part of it. The fact that you had to assume people who sleep on hard beds wake up feeling like shit is massive brainwashing. I told you I sleep like a baby its amazing.

I heard stories in African nations where women give birth to kids while working in the field without any assistance and then carry on working like nothing happened. So it wouldn't be surprising to me if Japanese dont use epidurals. Its only surprising if you are soft and a big sissy. Tough people dont need soft beds.

Listening to you mock hard bed sleepers is like a scrawn/fat kid mock people who go to the gym.
If you spent a lifetime on soft coushy mattresses then I guess you probably will feel like shit sleeping on hard surface. Just like you would probably hurt yourself in the gym the first time you lift any weights.
Remember I am not the one who spent $8000 or has sleeping issues.

I would recommend you start with a firmer matress then work your way up to hard. Also it maybe surprising to you that you can choose to sleep on your back. Or do you have a condition that doesnt allow you?

i used to back sleep, but cant anymore for whatever reason. lose my breath. i have a normal bmi

side sleeping is better for me

im glad you read african stories, they have some of the best ones

try side sleeping on your stone mattress and report back on how you feel next day

think were solving different problems


also seems like younger japanese are using thicker western beds. maybe they will all die younger as you imply

I get insane night terrors sleeping on my back.
Not sure why.

Those are the best.



I have slept on my side for about 1/2 my life and still do from time to time. Back sleeping seems to be optimal to me.

If you are losing breath while on back you might be suffering from obstructive sleep apnea. Shallow breathing and probably a snorer maybe acid reflux?

Its not stone I am not that hard-core lol still has plenty of support. Sounds to me like you have some health issues that don't allow you to properly sleep on your back because healthy people should have no problem sleeping on either side as they have done for hundreds of thousands of years. Soft beds are relatively recent thing or were exclusively available to the ultra wealthy like royals and aristocracy while 99.9% slept on hard beds.

You used to be somewhat cool.But you're corrupted by your terrible banana group. I wish you guys weren't all like robots.Doing your banana thing. If you guys had any personality, you could actually make this place fun.