I don't have any particular passage of the Bible to argue because again it was written by man. Now while I admit there is a chance it is the word of God, it is evident that is not; by this I mean as how the followers act in regard to the teachings. Now clearly there is false prophecy and those who have simply misunderstood the writings and have become mislead and therefore lost but the fact remains that the word of God should be impermeable if it exists. This paragraph is not an argument but rather an observation that I began at a very young age perhaps 10 years old when I witnessed "mischief" in the church.

As far as research is concerned we must agree that everyones burden of proof is different, in other words you may not believe something as easily as I would. With this in mind we can agree that any fact is actually a collection of smaller facts that support that fact because without that reference the fact becomes psuedo or false reasoning. Building on this, almost any research I could do personally is limited by both my intelligence as well as my means of inquiry (do I have internet? Am I rich? / Can I afford to spend my life properly asking questions?) so most information I collect is what I call "second hand information". This information although likely correct (atoms exist, the north star never moves etc.) is unverifiable to me personally - it would take me a hundred lifetimes to confirm what astronomers already know however the fact remains I have only one lifetime and i am not an astronomy major so I must take it on faith atoms are real.

So while I may seem to have strong opinions regarding religion and science I actually don't because the scope of chemistry, physics, energy and time are so mind boggling the whole word of scientists still know little about basic things like gravity. So if I'm unable to make a rational decision about gravity with with I interact with constantly i feel it be absolutely foolish of me to assuming what happens after my death or the nature of God; two things I have 0% experience with unlike gravity.


I hope this gives some insight into what it means to be agnostic. The logical approach to religion would be to study them each equally and fully but I think that's a waste of life. I have a much simpler ideal which is to enjoy the speck of time we have on this planet instead of searching for reason and purpose which frankly I think don't exist.

"simpler ideal which is to enjoy the speck of time we have on this planet "
(you have chosen to serve your self with what time you have)

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This post was edited by TiStuff on Jul 2 2021 10:07pm

You are complicated a simple thing. Besides I'm vegan, I make a huge effort not to kill anything which includes ants and spiders; that is far from serving myself. And I made this choice myself, not God told me to.


So quick to judge some of you..

i see no problem being considerate of critters. its ads a little more than just "enjoying your self"

Devote Muslims spend hours praying with their head on the floor and Monks spend all day in their temples reviewing old text. How is that serving God? I feel like I'm doing more for your God than you are with just being vegan.

didnt you just make a comment about judging? you fall from your own grace so quickly?

It's ok, he's a vegan bro.

New International Version Genesis

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.(A) 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life(B) in it—I give every green plant for food.(C)” And it was so