Quote (death_knight @ Jun 28 2021 05:06am)
Once again I don't make claims outside of what is my own experience and then those are subject to bias. If a person comes to me and says he just spoke to Clifford the Big Red Dog I'll know he's delusional because obviously Clifford isn't real. Now another man comes to me and says He just talked to God and God told him a bunch of details about my life and the afterlife. Why would I possibly believe this? (Rhetorical).
If your willing to base your life choices on the workings of man (religious texts) then you must accept the additional data that also disproves your theory. A scientist cannot evaluate one fact without evaluation of all adjacent facts. This is what you are doing- you are saying science backs up your theory when it doesn't. Just like it's impossible to know what's happening inside a black hole (because most energy is absorbed) it's all impossible to know about the afterlife because no single source of information has ever been returned from the afterlife and there are fields of science towards their goal.
You can't just come out and claim fact when it's only representative of a very small part of the scientific community. The grand canyon is an excellent example. Obviously it was from flooding just like every other canyon. But there is little record of when, why and how it formed (on a massive scale) because it takes years upon years to take precision measurements of what is massive land area.
What you are doing is ignoring protocol and making claims like it was God that caused the flood because it's written in this book! This is your fatal flaw in your logic. You have skipped the scientific method entirely on many of your claims and every theory in science is a theory subject to affirmation and debate. Only when you confirmed every possible detail and eliminated every naysayer it can become fact and even then it's only until better investigative instruments are developed.
And finally I am my own judge of information. An excellent example I've used for years is this and i came up with this myself:
Consider the sky being blue- everyone knows this because they have eyes. Since everyone is slightly different everyone likely sees a slightly different shade of blue. Collectively everyone agrees when looking at the sky it's the same blue because that's what they see. But in reality the property of your eye creates a unique image and without dissecting each eye it's nearly impossible to understand what each eye actually seen. Rather the solution is to measure the wavelength of the light because that will not vary from person to person.
So as you can see it's better to speak in terms of wavelength (ex. 400nm) instead of the color blue.
Again, the scenario you are using is purely based on word alone. Most people are not trustworthy with their words. Even if you don't believe their opening statement, wouldn't you go on to ask further questions and see who else you could ask to see if they say something similar? This is the part that you left out and the part that I am referring to.
Okay then, what additional data is there to disprove my findings in the research that I have done? I have yet to hear an answer.
Do you want to go down the Grand Canyon debate? What kind of recorded flood is there where the Grand Canyon would have been completely submerged? Do you have any particular years that come to mind?
You'll find that the Science with the Grand Canyon supports the claims of how it was formed in the first place. It's all there to study.
If you truly believe that The Bible is false then would you make the trip to Egypt and Israel where all these things took place? Would you make the trip to the Grand Canyon and make your point that way? If you do, do that then I would never argue with someone who took the long trip personally. They saw it all first hand.
You are the judge of your own information? Just like you are claiming to replace God with self? That's how the serpent tricked Adam and Eve back in the Garden. The serpent told Eve that they would become like God, knowing good and evil if they ate from the fruit. Look what happened.
Quote (Amonshrine @ Jun 28 2021 05:22am)
Weakness isnt something id brag about
And it identify itself as a Christian
what a scam
Paul brags about his weakness. We all could learn a thing or two from him.
2 Corinthians 11:16-33
I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool. But if you do, then tolerate me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting. In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool. Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face. To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!
Whatever anyone else dares to boast about—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast about. Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham’s descendants? So am I. Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?
If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying. In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me. But I was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and slipped through his hands.
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