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two compelling arguments for a young earth. helium in zircons and atmospheric c14


com·pel·ling
/kəmˈpeliNG/
adjective

not able to be refuted; inspiring conviction.
"a compelling argument"

What YOU find compelling isn't really saying much.

https://reasons.org/explore/publications/articles/helium-diffusion-in-zircon-flaws-in-a-young-earth-argument-part-1-of-2
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com·pel·ling
/kəmˈpeliNG/
adjective

not able to be refuted; inspiring conviction.
"a compelling argument"

What YOU find compelling isn't really saying much.

https://reasons.org/explore/publications/articles/helium-diffusion-in-zircon-flaws-in-a-young-earth-argument-part-1-of-2


i dont see you actually refuting any of it. i havent seen anyone ever even try to refute the atmopheric14 argument
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i dont see you actually refuting any of it. i havent seen anyone ever even try to refute the atmopheric14 argument


You would have to present a case and explain why and how it's a young earth for anyone to even begin to entertain the idea of refuting your desperate attempts to push your Christian agenda.

Just a simple google search and already there are multiple sources putting the religious pseodo science into bed.


https://ncse.ngo/answers-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating
Question: Kieth and Anderson radiocarbon-dated the shell of a living freshwater mussel and obtained an age of over two thousand years. ICR creationists claim that this discredits C-14 dating. How do you reply?

Answer: It does discredit the C-14 dating of freshwater mussels, but that's about all. Kieth and Anderson show considerable evidence that the mussels acquired much of their carbon from the limestone of the waters they lived in and from some very old humus as well. Carbon from these sources is very low in C-14 because these sources are so old and have not been mixed with fresh carbon from

the air. Thus, a freshly killed mussel has far less C-14 than a freshly killed something else, which is why the C-14 dating method makes freshwater mussels seem older than they really are. When dating wood there is no such problem because wood gets its carbon straight from the air, complete with a full dose of C-14. The creationists who quote Kieth and Anderson never tell you this, however.


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You would have to present a case and explain why and how it's a young earth for anyone to even begin to entertain the idea of refuting your desperate attempts to push your Christian agenda.

Just a simple google search and already there are multiple sources putting the religious pseodo science into bed.


https://ncse.ngo/answers-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating
Question: Kieth and Anderson radiocarbon-dated the shell of a living freshwater mussel and obtained an age of over two thousand years. ICR creationists claim that this discredits C-14 dating. How do you reply?

Answer: It does discredit the C-14 dating of freshwater mussels, but that's about all. Kieth and Anderson show considerable evidence that the mussels acquired much of their carbon from the limestone of the waters they lived in and from some very old humus as well. Carbon from these sources is very low in C-14 because these sources are so old and have not been mixed with fresh carbon from

the air. Thus, a freshly killed mussel has far less C-14 than a freshly killed something else, which is why the C-14 dating method makes freshwater mussels seem older than they really are. When dating wood there is no such problem because wood gets its carbon straight from the air, complete with a full dose of C-14. The creationists who quote Kieth and Anderson never tell you this, however.


atmospheric c14
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i dont see you actually refuting any of it. i havent seen anyone ever even try to refute the atmopheric14 argument


atmospheric c14 decays slower than its produced. if the place was old we should be at saturation right now.
this of course if we assume what the 'atheists demand how the world works...... uniformitarianism

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atmospheric c14


atmospheric c14 decays slower than its produced. if the place was old we should be at saturation right now.
this of course if we assume what the 'atheists demand how the world works...... uniformitarianism


uniformitarianism is a rejection of catastrophism lol unless they evoke it themselves, then its ok
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atmospheric c14


atmospheric c14 decays slower than its produced. if the place was old we should be at saturation right now.
this of course if we assume what the 'atheists demand how the world works...... uniformitarianism



All of your points have been dismantled already here is an example in line with yours.

Question: Creationists such as Cook (1966) claim that cosmic radiation is now forming C-14 in the atmosphere about one and one-third times faster than it is decaying. If we extrapolate backwards in time with the proper equations, we find that the earlier the historical period, the less C-14 the atmosphere had. If we extrapolate

as far back as ten thousand years ago, we find the atmosphere would not have had any C-14 in it at all. If they are right, this means all C-14 ages greater than two or three thousand years need to be lowered drastically and that the earth can be no older than ten thousand years. How do you reply?

Answer: Yes, Cook is right that C-14 is forming today faster than it's decaying. However, the amount of C-14 has not been rising steadily as Cook maintains; instead, it has fluctuated up and down over the past ten thousand years. How do we know this? From radiocarbon dates taken from bristlecone pines.

There are two ways of dating wood from bristlecone pines: one can count rings or one can radiocarbon-date the wood. Since the tree ring counts have reliably dated some specimens of wood all the way back to 6200 BC, one can check out the C-14 dates against the tree-ring-count dates. Admittedly, this old wood comes from trees that have been dead for hundreds of years, but you don't have to have an 8,200-year-old bristlecone pine tree alive today to validly determine that sort of date. It is easy to correlate the inner rings of a younger living tree with the outer rings of an older dead tree. The correlation is possible because, in the Southwest region of the United States, the widths of tree rings vary from year to year with the rainfall, and trees all over the Southwest have the same pattern of variations.

When experts compare the tree-ring dates with the C-14 dates, they find that radiocarbon ages before 1000 BC are really too young—not too old as Cook maintains. For example, pieces of wood that date at about 6200 BC by tree-ring counts date at only 5400 BC by regular C-14 dating and 3900 BC by Cook's creationist revision of C-14 dating (as we see in the article, "Dating, Relative and Absolute," in the Encyclopaedia Britannica). So, despite creationist claims, C-14 before three thousand years ago was decaying faster than it was being formed and C-14 dating errs on the side of making objects from before 1000 BC look too young, not too old.
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All of your points have been dismantled already here is an example in line with yours.

Question: Creationists such as Cook (1966) claim that cosmic radiation is now forming C-14 in the atmosphere about one and one-third times faster than it is decaying. If we extrapolate backwards in time with the proper equations, we find that the earlier the historical period, the less C-14 the atmosphere had. If we extrapolate

as far back as ten thousand years ago, we find the atmosphere would not have had any C-14 in it at all. If they are right, this means all C-14 ages greater than two or three thousand years need to be lowered drastically and that the earth can be no older than ten thousand years. How do you reply?

Answer: Yes, Cook is right that C-14 is forming today faster than it's decaying. However, the amount of C-14 has not been rising steadily as Cook maintains; instead, it has fluctuated up and down over the past ten thousand years. How do we know this? From radiocarbon dates taken from bristlecone pines.

There are two ways of dating wood from bristlecone pines: one can count rings or one can radiocarbon-date the wood. Since the tree ring counts have reliably dated some specimens of wood all the way back to 6200 BC, one can check out the C-14 dates against the tree-ring-count dates. Admittedly, this old wood comes from trees that have been dead for hundreds of years, but you don't have to have an 8,200-year-old bristlecone pine tree alive today to validly determine that sort of date. It is easy to correlate the inner rings of a younger living tree with the outer rings of an older dead tree. The correlation is possible because, in the Southwest region of the United States, the widths of tree rings vary from year to year with the rainfall, and trees all over the Southwest have the same pattern of variations.

When experts compare the tree-ring dates with the C-14 dates, they find that radiocarbon ages before 1000 BC are really too young—not too old as Cook maintains. For example, pieces of wood that date at about 6200 BC by tree-ring counts date at only 5400 BC by regular C-14 dating and 3900 BC by Cook's creationist revision of C-14 dating (as we see in the article, "Dating, Relative and Absolute," in the Encyclopaedia Britannica). So, despite creationist claims, C-14 before three thousand years ago was decaying faster than it was being formed and C-14 dating errs on the side of making objects from before 1000 BC look too young, not too old.


what mechanism do you propose causes fluctuations.
and............ 10 thousand years?

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what mechanism do you propose causes fluctuations.
and............ 10 thousand years?


Next line explains it. Reading is hard especially when it proves you wrong.
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