Quote (Amonshrine @ May 1 2021 10:04pm)

Is it allowed to enter a random church' sit and attend wtv they do in there?
for self curiosity

Quote (wraps @ 2 May 2021 17:34)

Okay but when you do, can you please give me an idea of what these verses mean too? :)

But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Titus 3:4‭-‬7 KJV

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20 KJV

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say , at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:20‭, ‬23‭-‬26 KJV

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:27‭-‬28 KJV

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 KJV

Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2 Timothy 1:8‭-‬9 KJV

These are just a few verses about how God saves! There are many more than that! :D

Quote (death_knight @ May 2 2021 08:00pm)

Ephesians 2:8 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"

I am using Google to define each meaningful word and for simplicity all as nouns

For by - I can't define this, I'm guessing it's an artifact of translation or a way of speaking

Grace - courteous goodwill

Saved - keep safe or rescue from danger

Through - continuing in time toward completion of a process

Faith - complete trust

Doing - effort, activity

Gift - present, natural ability or talent


The goodwill (of God) has rescued you from danger (and will keep you safe) because of your continuous complete trust. And not of your own effort; it is the natural ability of God.

So now if I may make an interpretation of this simplified passage..

This is saying (in my opinion) that God decided those who have faith will have faith and be saved and then those without faith are lost, because as it's written here- is not our doing but God

It's a fallacy or if you want to dig deeper perhaps God chooses who lives and who dies the same way humans do to animals

Either way it negates the idea of free will

Quote (TiStuff @ 2 May 2021 21:05)

what was the meaning of a word when it was written.

Faith, derived from Latin fides and Old French feid, is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept.

beware, definitions get changed

Quote (TiStuff @ May 2 2021 04:41pm)

one has to give up pride and repent and dont forget to forgive those that have sined against you

Quote (death_knight @ May 2 2021 08:00pm)

Ephesians 2:8 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"

I am using Google to define each meaningful word and for simplicity all as nouns

For by - I can't define this, I'm guessing it's an artifact of translation or a way of speaking

Grace - courteous goodwill

Saved - keep safe or rescue from danger

Through - continuing in time toward completion of a process

Faith - complete trust

Doing - effort, activity

Gift - present, natural ability or talent


The goodwill (of God) has rescued you from danger (and will keep you safe) because of your continuous complete trust. And not of your own effort; it is the natural ability of God.

So now if I may make an interpretation of this simplified passage..

This is saying (in my opinion) that God decided those who have faith will have faith and be saved and then those without faith are lost, because as it's written here- is not our doing but God

It's a fallacy or if you want to dig deeper perhaps God chooses who lives and who dies the same way humans do to animals

Either way it negates the idea of free will

Quote (death_knight @ May 2 2021 09:45pm)

Breakdown in my opinion means breaking down each word in the 2 sentences which I did word for word, which I wanted you to do first as not to become biased based on my analysis

but you on the other hand decided to deliver upon me another lesson that is besides the point AND call me a fool, clearly it is you that is in ignorance for you failed to follow instructions in a simple debate and reply with scorn!

I'm not stupid and I don't think you are either

But you sure can't have an impartial and unbiased conversation that's for certain

Quote (wraps @ 2 May 2021 23:26)

Those are all works that the Holy Spirit does once He comes to live inside us! :)

When we truly believe in Jesus, God changes our heart and gives us a new nature! A nature that makes us change our minds about the way we live! It's still nothing that we've done but it's something that He does in us! :D



This is why context is important! Although your interpretation was pretty close! :)

You see we do actually have free will as you can see in the book of Genesis where Adam and Eve made the choice of eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil! That being said, God already knew that they would eat from the tree as He is all knowing! So, God being all knowing, knows who is going to believe in Jesus before He even created the world! The Bible does say that God has hardened the hearts of some people because He already knew that certain people wouldn't believe! God also says that if anyone comes to Him, He will in no wise cast out! So again we have a choice! Do you want to believe or not? If you come to Him, He will in no wise cast you out and He will open up your spiritual eyes and ears and all the sudden the stuff that sounds so foolish right now will make sense to you! B)

I really do hope you find Him broski! He is absolutely amazing all the time when you get to know Him and understand Him! Praise God! :love:

Quote (death_knight @ May 3 2021 03:28am)

Every part of my intellect says religion is likely a hoax, and given the vast nature of the cosmos I appeal to the ancient astronaut theory in which aliens were mistaken as God's. This passage was yet another riddle seemingly designed to keep the people in a state of dependence on a system where all power is taken from the individual entirely.

My recent comments in this topic were an exercise in empirical study in that I sat down, did some research and really thought my argument before presenting it. My goal is not to argue with any of you but rather try to unlock the potential of my own mind (enlightenment) which obviously is in a much different state than you and I don't claim to have the answer but what I will do until my death is question every piece of data of what I refer to as "the secrets of the universe" or other words things that cannot be known.

On the other hand I believe many of you (Cristians) to be so blind to faith that there is no argument I could make that would surpass your own assumption of the universe and furthermore many would then be in denial because accepting an agnostic argument would shatter the very foundations on which you base your life

I have little interest finding God, what I am after is unlocking the doors that are available to be in the physical world, and not the imagination where religion takes place

I digress but it's all part of the big picture for me

Quote (death_knight @ May 3 2021 03:28am)

Every part of my intellect says religion is likely a hoax, and given the vast nature of the cosmos I appeal to the ancient astronaut theory in which aliens were mistaken as God's. This passage was yet another riddle seemingly designed to keep the people in a state of dependence on a system where all power is taken from the individual entirely.

My recent comments in this topic were an exercise in empirical study in that I sat down, did some research and really thought my argument before presenting it. My goal is not to argue with any of you but rather try to unlock the potential of my own mind (enlightenment) which obviously is in a much different state than you and I don't claim to have the answer but what I will do until my death is question every piece of data of what I refer to as "the secrets of the universe" or other words things that cannot be known.

On the other hand I believe many of you (Cristians) to be so blind to faith that there is no argument I could make that would surpass your own assumption of the universe and furthermore many would then be in denial because accepting an agnostic argument would shatter the very foundations on which you base your life

I have little interest finding God, what I am after is unlocking the doors that are available to be in the physical world, and not the imagination where religion takes place

I digress but it's all part of the big picture for me