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Quote (kai_jph @ Nov 26 2017 02:58am)
fine, its not the best example, but more or less how it works.
All objects in front of us get smaller the further away we go or they go until they all converge at the vanish point as they move out of our range of vision

Now if I remember correctly you stated
1) The suns appears small due to its distance and perspective
2) Its doesn't actually set but is moving out of the range of our vision

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1) yes the sun is approx 3000 miles away to the observer and is on the sky (terrestrial) plane, so it has a different perspective.
2) correct, the sun is moving away on the sky plane and converges into the vanishing point (the limit of human vision)

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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 26 2017 01:21am)
1) yes the sun is approx 3000 miles away to the observer and is on the sky (terrestrial) plane, so it has a different perspective.
2) correct, the sun is moving away on the sky plane and converges into the vanishing point (the limit of human vision)

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The sun isn't behaving the same way other objects that vanish over the horizon do, it doesn't get smaller.

That alone is a huge inconsistency in your model.
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 26 2017 02:21am)
1) yes the sun is approx 3000 miles away to the observer and is on the sky (terrestrial) plane, so it has a different perspective.
2) correct, the sun is moving away on the sky plane and converges into the vanishing point (the limit of human vision)

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dat geometry LOL
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 26 2017 09:21am)
1) yes the sun is approx 3000 miles away to the observer and is on the sky (terrestrial) plane, so it has a different perspective.
2) correct, the sun is moving away on the sky plane and converges into the vanishing point (the limit of human vision)

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So then how do objects get smaller when they move to the limits of our vision ,
Yet the sun does not (not to that degree anyway) when it is further away?
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Nov 26 2017 03:37am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 26 2017 09:21am)
1) yes the sun is approx 3000 miles away to the observer and is on the sky (terrestrial) plane, so it has a different perspective.
2) correct, the sun is moving away on the sky plane and converges into the vanishing point (the limit of human vision)

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1) When the sun is setting, how far away is it from the observer?
2) How far is "the limit of human vision"?
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Quote (kai_jph @ Nov 26 2017 06:53pm)
So then how do objects get smaller when they move to the limits of our vision ,
Yet the sun does not (not to that degree anyway) when it is further away?


u have to understand there is 2 different terrestrial planes, the sky plane and the surface plane
we are living on the surface plane so everything is close because our eyes are seeing approx 1.5m (average adult height) above the ground. the perspective & convergence acts differently and basically human vision is limited to 3 miles (to the vanishing point)
the sky plane is another story with massive open/empty skies and no obtrusive objects blocking the observer. So a massive 32 mile circumference object (the sun) that is 3000 miles away has a different perspective. A passenger jet airplane is much smaller in comparison and will appear to converge and disappear before the sun does.
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Nov 26 2017 05:26am)
u have to understand there is 2 different terrestrial planes, the sky plane and the surface plane
we are living on the surface plane so everything is close because our eyes are seeing approx 1.5m (average adult height) above the ground. the perspective & convergence acts differently and basically human vision is limited to 3 miles (to the vanishing point)
the sky plane is another story with massive open/empty skies and no obtrusive objects blocking the observer. So a massive 32 mile circumference object (the sun) that is 3000 miles away has a different perspective. A passenger jet airplane is much smaller in comparison and will appear to converge and disappear before the sun does.


the sun doesn't disappear into a vanishing point like a plane though
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