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Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 18 2017 01:42pm)
Because if the Earth was really a spinning ball, wed have solid evidence for it - and we simply have nothing.


thats opinion
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have these flat earth believers ever ridden in an airplane ?

1. The Moon
Now that humanity knows quite positively that the Moon is not a piece of cheese or a playful god, the phenomena that accompany it (from its monthly cycles to lunar eclipses) are well-explained. It was quite a mystery to the ancient Greeks, though, and in their quest for knowledge, they came up with a few insightful observations that helped humanity figure out the shape of our planet.
Aristotle (who made quite a lot of observations about the spherical nature of the Earth) noticed that during lunar eclipses (when the Earth’s orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), the shadow on the Moon’s surface is round. This shadow is the Earth’s, and it’s a great clue on the spherical shape of the Earth.

Lunar Eclipse
LUNAR ECLIPSE
A sequential view of the lunar eclipse that occurred on April 15, 2014. You can see Earth's shadow crossing the face of the Moon, and the shadow's shape is curved because Earth is spherical.
Javier Sánchez
Since the earth is rotating (see the “Foucault Pendulum” experiment for a definite proof, if you are doubtful), the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical – absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat.
2. Ships and the Horizon
If you’ve been next to a port lately, or just strolled down a beach and stared off vacantly into the horizon, you might have, perhaps, noticed a very interesting phenomenon: approaching ships do not just “appear” out of the horizon (like they should have if the world was flat), but rather emerge from beneath the sea.
But – you say – ships do not submerge and rise up again as they approach our view (except in “Pirates of the Caribbean”, but we are hereby assuming that was a fictitious movie). The reason ships appear as if they “emerge from the waves” is because the world is not flat: it’s round.
View of an ant walking on an orange
ANT ON AN ORANGE
What you would see if you watched an ant crawling toward you over a curved surface.
Moriel Schottlender
Imagine an ant walking along the surface of an orange, into your field of view. If you look at the orange “head on”, you will see the ant’s body slowly rising up from the “horizon”, because of the curvature of the Orange. If you would do that experiment with a long road, the effect would have changed: The ant would have slowly ‘materialized’ into view, depending on how sharp your vision is.
3. Varying Star Constellations
This observation was originally made by Aristotle (384-322 BCE), who declared the Earth was round judging from the different constellations one sees while moving away from the equator.
Stargazing On A Round Earth
STARGAZING ON A ROUND EARTH
Stargazing On A Round Earth
Moriel Schottlender
After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted that “there are stars seen in Egypt and…Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained if humans were viewing the stars from a round surface. Aristotle continued and claimed that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.” (De caelo, 298a2-10)
The farther you go from the equator, the farther the ‘known’ constellations go towards the horizon, and are replaced by different stars. This would not have happened if the world was flat:
Stargazing On A Flat Earth
STARGAZING ON A FLAT EARTH
Stargazing On A Flat Earth
Moriel Schottlender
4. Shadows and Sticks
If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:
Stick Shadows On A Flat Earth
STICK SHADOWS ON A FLAT EARTH
Imagine the Sun's rays (represented by yellow lines) hitting two sticks (white lines) some distance apart. If the Earth were flat, the resulting shadows would be the same length, no matter how far apart you place the sticks.
Moriel Schottlender
But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:
Stick Shadows On A Round Earth
STICK SHADOWS ON A ROUND EARTH
Because the Earth is round, sticks placed at distant locations will throw shadows of different lengths.
Moriel Schottlender
Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the Earth.
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5. Seeing Farther from Higher
Standing in a flat plateau, you look ahead of you towards the horizon. You strain your eyes, then take out your favorite binoculars and stare through them, as far as your eyes (with the help of the binocular lenses) can see.
Then, you climb up the closest tree – the higher the better, just be careful not to drop those binoculars and break their lenses. You then look again, strain your eyes, stare through the binoculars out to the horizon.
The higher up you are the farther you will see. Usually, we tend to relate this to Earthly obstacles, like the fact we have houses or other trees obstructing our vision on the ground, and climbing upwards we have a clear view, but that’s not the true reason. Even if you would have a completely clear plateau with no obstacles between you and the horizon, you would see much farther from greater height than you would on the ground.
This phenomenon is caused by the curvature of the Earth as well, and would not happen if the Earth was flat:
Point Of View On A Flat Earth
POINT OF VIEW ON A FLAT EARTH
Point Of View On A Flat Earth
Moriel Schottlender
Point Of View On A Round Earth
POINT OF VIEW ON A ROUND EARTH
Point Of View On A Round Earth
Moriel Schottlender
6. Ride a Plane
If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-destination trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:
Planes can travel in a relatively straight line a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also circle the Earth without stopping.
If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the earth in the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the Concorde, but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait seeing the pictures from the new plane by “Virgin Galactic” – the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance.
7. Look at Other Planets
The Earth is different from other planets, that much is true. After all, we have life, and we haven’t found any other planets with life (yet). However, there are certain characteristics all planets have, and it will be quite logical to assume that if all planets behave a certain way, or show certain characteristics – specifically if those planets are in different places or were created under different circumstances – our planet is the same.
In other words: If so many planets that were created in different locations and under different circumstances show the same property, it’s likely that our own planet has the same property as well. All of our observations show planets are spherical (and since we know how they’re created, it’s also obvious why they are taking this shape). Unless we have a very good reason to think otherwise (which we don’t), our planet is very likely the same.
In 1610, Galileo Galilei observed the moons of Jupiter rotating around it. He described them as small planets orbiting a larger planet – a description (and observation) that was very difficult for the church to accept as it challenged a geocentric model where everything was supposed to revolve around the Earth. This observation also showed that the planets (Jupiter, Neptune, and later Venus was observed too) are all spherical, and all orbit the sun.
A flat planet (ours or any other planet) would be such an incredible observation that it would pretty much go against everything we know about how planets form and behave. It would not only change everything we know about planet formation, but also about star formation (as our sun would have to behave quite differently to accustom a “flat earth” theory), what we know of speeds and movements in space (like planets' orbits, and the effects of gravity, etc). In short, we don’t just suspect that our planet is spherical. We know it.
8. The Existence of Timezones
The time in New York, at the moment these words are written, is 12:00pm. The sun is in the middle of the sky (though it’s hard to see with the current cloud coverage). In Beijing, it’s 12:00am, midnight, and the sun is nowhere to be found. In Adelaide, Australia, it is 1:30am. More than 13 hours ahead. There, the sunset is long gone – so much so, that it’s soon going to rise up again in the beginning of a new day.
Time Zones
TIME ZONES
We have time zones because when the Sun is illuminating one side of the spherical Earth, the other side is dark.
Moriel Schottlender
This can only be explained if the world is round, and rotating around its own axis. At a certain point when the sun is shining on one part of the Earth, the opposite side is dark, and vise versa. That allows for time differences and timezones, specifically ones that are larger than 12 hours.
Another point concerning timezones, the sun and flat/spherical Earth: If the sun was a “spotlight” (very directionally located so that light only shines on a specific location) and the world was flat, we would have seen the sun even if it didn’t shine on top of us (as you can see in the drawing below). The same way you can see the light coming out of a spotlight on a stage in the theater, even though you – the crowd – are in the dark. The only way to create two distinctly separate timezones, where there is complete darkness in one while there’s light in the other, is if the world is spherical.
Debunking The "Sun As Spotlight" Theory
DEBUNKING THE "SUN AS SPOTLIGHT" THEORY
Debunking The "Sun As Spotlight" Theory
Moriel Schottlender
9. The Center of Gravity
There’s an interesting fact about mass: it attracts things to it. The force of attraction (gravity) between two objects depends on their mass and the distance between them. Simply said, gravity will pull toward the center of mass of the objects. To find the center of mass, you have to examine the object.
A Sphere's Center Of Mass
A SPHERE'S CENTER OF MASS
A Sphere's Center Of Mass
Moriel Schottlender
Consider a sphere. Since a sphere has a consistent shape, no matter where on it you stand, you have exactly the same amount of sphere under you. (Imagine an ant walking around on a crystal ball. From the insect's point of view, the only indication of movement would be the fact the ant is moving its feet. The shape of the surface would not change at all.) A sphere's center of mass is in the center of the sphere, which means gravity will pull anything on the surface toward the center of the sphere (straight down) no matter where it's located.
Consider a flat plane. The center of mass of a flat plane is in its center (more or less – if you want to be more accurate, feel free to do the entire integration process), so the force of gravity will pull anything on the surface toward the middle of the plane. That means that if you stand on the edge of the plane, gravity will be pulling you toward the middle, not straight down like you usually experience.

A Plane's Center Of Mass
A PLANE'S CENTER OF MASS
A plane's center of mass is in the middle—which means that gravity should pull objects toward the center of the plane.
Moriel Schottlender
I am quite positive that, even for Australians, an apple falls downwards, not sideways. But if you have your doubts, I urge you to try dropping something – just make sure it’s nothing that can break or hurt you.
Further reading about the center of mass and about distribution of mass can be found here. And if you are brave enough to handle some equations (not involving integration), you can learn some more about Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation here.
10. Images from Space
In the past 60 years of space exploration, we’ve launched satellites, probes, and people to space. Some of them got back, some of them still float through the solar system (and almost beyond it) and transmit amazing images over to our receivers on Earth. And in all of the photos, the Earth is (wait for it) spherical. The curvature of the Earth is also visible in the many, many, many, many photos snapped by astronauts on the International Space Station. You can see a recent example from ISS Commander Scott Kelly's Instagram right here:


plenty of reason earth is round. :)
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Aug 18 2017 04:12pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 18 2017 12:54pm)
I've showed you how they can use parallax and trig to figure out the distance to the moon is 3400 miles.


...that only applies IF you use the ASSUMPTION that the Earth is flat.

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I should you how Eratosthenes used wrong assumptions


You should try.

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Ive showed you how Pythagoras calculated the curve of the supposed ball earth but that it has never been shown.


That's a lie.

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Ive explained how the spinning of earth cannot be measured and how they fake it.


You're STILL pinning your faith to a substandard piece of equipment. This has been pointed out to you. That video has been debunked thoroughly.

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Ive shown you actual footage of the stars close up.


I'm pretty sure this one is new on me. Maybe you showed it to someone else?

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Ive showed how line of sight radar can be used to paint target at 100 miles.


...and you ignored the followup lesson about radar wave propagation. Over the horizon radar is a thing. You should Google it or something.

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Ive showed engineers and pilots and surveyors dont need to account for any curvature.


That's a pretty serious mischaracterization of what you "showed." Are we going back to that Navy guy you posted a video about? Because I remember savaging him on that front. Your attempt to use little Cessna-type plane pilots as proof ignores the really short distances they fly. You also completely ignore the airlines' consistent use of great circle navigation. The surveyor's bit is a complete lie, and someone actually showed you up on that. They quite specifically informed you that surveyor teams have to make regular corrections to roads every 24 (IIRC) miles.

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Ive shown how there is no curve even at 130,000 miles


This you most certainly have not. Now, even if we assume you meant to say 130,000 feet, we'll have to see that particular video again, because I don't recall just how I refuted it.



So here we have this this evidence you think you've shown, and it's been thrashed. t4t

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^slammed

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Aug 18 2017 04:24pm
My father is a road surveyor. I've worked on the job with him before. Can confirm they make round earth corrections, or remeasure using gps every few miles. Both work.
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Aug 18 2017 04:55pm
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My father is a road surveyor. I've worked on the job with him before. Can confirm they make round earth corrections, or remeasure using gps every few miles. Both work.


and what corrections are they making exactly? in detail please?

maybe like pulling out a level instrument and confirming the area is still flat? no curve detected?
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and what corrections are they making exactly? in detail please?

maybe like pulling out a level instrument and confirming the area is still flat? no curve detected?


You could also answer my question before asking your own.

Is there an unobstructed straight line between my eyes and the sun at night?
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Aug 18 2017 05:16pm
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 18 2017 04:55pm)
and what corrections are they making exactly? in detail please?

maybe like pulling out a level instrument and confirming the area is still flat? no curve detected?



Every 24 miles a correction of 1 mile is made when dividing rural townships into sections. This is done on roads going N-S to ensure each section remains the same area as following the lines of longitude will eventually all converge at the same point.
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You could also answer my question before asking your own.

Is there an unobstructed straight line between my eyes and the sun at night?


the sun is just being tucked into its flat earth bed, that is why some places are hotter than others.
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Aug 18 2017 05:26pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 19 2017 08:44am)
You could also answer my question before asking your own.

Is there an unobstructed straight line between my eyes and the sun at night?


I don't understand? there is no visible sun at night? do u mean the moon?
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