i spent my life irreligious, a slave to alcohol and smoking. Got it into my head one day to "find the truth of it all" never in my wildest dreams was their a thought that it would lead me to Christ.
but it happened and now free of booze and smokes. The whole thing is still so far out its almost unbelievable. and that was over 4or 5 years ago

You don't get to claim something is supernatural until you demonstrate the supernatural. No one has ever done so. How can you possibly say something is supernatural when you nor anyone not demonstrate the supernatural xd

Because science doesn't have an explanation doesn't mean you posit god. There's a name for that fallacious thinking and it is called the argument from ignorance.

Before the germ theory of disease periods of famine and pestilence were often thought to be the result of a vindictive God's anger. People had displeased him in some way. How did that work out? On your view anything science hasn't explained is supernatural. What about all the stuff which at one point was unexplained? Lol.

I hope you are trolling because that is some really dumb shit you just said. Sad part is coming from a person of belief I'm not surprised. Most religious people are kinda stupid, irrational, and don't have a good grasp on logic

This post was edited by hoipolloi on Mar 19 2021 11:01pm

how come people shoot their mouths off and never check the claim?
by definition
su·per·nat·u·ral
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adjective: supernatural

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

all you have shown so far is argumentative which is not an argument. Do you have anything ?? any teeny tiny lil thing that challenges scripture??

Why do you think religious people are stupid, irrational and don't have a good grasp on logic?

I personally graduated from University in an IT Degree and now I work a full time job in the IT industry. I've had to write many scripts from scratch and do so by using logic. Since I knew what I wanted the script to do I knew what the next thing was that I wanted to write. It took a full work day to write that script and by doing so I've saved a lot of time to do my job.
That is simply the work aspect of me.

When it comes to religion, do you honestly think we take things at face value? I tell you no, we go to our weekly Bible Study groups and we go to Church to learn more about God's word. If we don't understand something then we ask questions. When we receive an answer we may go and ask someone else to see what they say. After that we may do our own research. What happens if everyone tells you the same answer? You already know that there was no collusion.

Do I need to link you the threads where I personally did my research?

Obviously 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time when someone says supernatural they are not talking about something that is simply currently unexplained by science. Good job with the extremely arcane definition. You got me.

Also, I dont have to have anything. You are making a claim that god exists. Present your case. The burden of proof is on you. It isn't my job to disprove a positive claim. It is the one who posits the claims job to defend it.

So far the best I've heard is that since science can't explain it, god did it. Lol

One of the most basic, ignorant justifications for belief I've ever heard

Gospels all contradict. They can't even get where jesus was born right. Biblical interpolation and apocryphal additions.
The entire premise of christianity is based on a blood sacrifice which didn't even happen
If I have a child and I kill it as a sacrifice in exchange to save the souls/atone for mankind and 72 later it is resurrected to my side, at which it will remain for eternity, I didn't really sacrifice anything did I?
He gave his only begotten son..which return to him a couple days later.

Who can believe this utter dog trash so clearly man made. Endorses slavery, genocide, rape, incest.
Really a disgusting book

This post was edited by hoipolloi on Mar 20 2021 05:21am

Because religious people believe something for which there is no good evidence.

Romans 1:18-20 "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

Let's see. Look at creation and how there an order. There is night and day, the sun and the moon. Earth itself is the right distance away from the sun to sustain life. How can that happen if there is no creator?
Take out your wallet and look at the year. The very year we are in is based off the number of years Jesus Christ was born.

Look at the Rainbow in the sky which shows God's promise to never flood the entire Earth ever again.
Look at the power of prayer and how there is nothing too hard for you when you have The LORD's help.

Have you ever known a Christian on a personal level? Ask them for the reason they believe in the hope they have.
We believe the word of The Bible, including 1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

This is my answer: I look at what my life was like before I became a Christian and what my life is like after I became a Christian. Before I became a Christian I was chasing after the things of this world. Yet the things I desired did not bring about the happiness that was promised. As a matter of fact it did quite the opposite. It even drove me to depression. Then one day, when I was alone and lost in the woods, I prayed to God to help me find my way back and right after I finished praying I found my way back after being lost for a long time. It was at that point I gave my life to Christ and no longer chased after the things of this world. I no longer suffer from depression and I have found the only thing that is worth chasing after, an eternity with Jesus in Heaven. The things of this Earth will tempt me but there is no comparison to the promise we have in Jesus.



Refer to above.

Also, I must ask what research you have done to arrive at that conclusion? I can very easily link you to the research that I have done.

This post was edited by CPK001 on Mar 20 2021 05:30am

I don't need your research dude. You're literally committing the argument from ignorance fallacy. Google it.

It is NOT logical or rational to say that something is the case because you cannot think of another explanation.

How can it happen that the solar system formed without a creator ? I don't know, I'm not a scientist.

You are basically saying something occurred which you cannot explain so god did it, but you cannot explain god which is even more miraculous than the events for which you are claiming he is necessary.

If you don't know how something happened the correct answer is: I DON'T KNOW.

Not that god did it. Your arguments are all very very very terrible apologetics 101. And they suck. I'd recommend watching anything of the thousands of episodes of the atheist experience podcast, cuz on just about any episode you will hear 1 and probably several theist callers make the same shit arguments you are here. And they get brutally shot down with logic and reason.

The fine tuning argument sucks.. Do some more research. Yours was inadequate

Btw when you prayed and saw results, how do you know god was answering your prayers? How did you determine it was a god ?

"So far the best I've heard is that since science can't explain it, god did it. Lol"
(science doesnt explain any of it. that is all i offered, you added the rest)

"One of the most basic, ignorant justifications for belief I've ever heard"
(lol your argument is you dont have to have a argument. i already told you you dont have an argument. I said all you have is argumentative.)

if you really do have a contradiction argument you will need to present it properly. version/translation chapter and verse, then your claim

"Who can believe this utter dog trash so clearly man made. Endorses slavery, genocide, rape, incest.
Really a disgusting book"
(like wise with this claim, version/translation, chapter and verse, then your claim)

right now your just assertion and thats a logic fail.

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lol the atheist experience. phony staged call in show. nobody talks like the "callers" on the "atheist experience"

matt dillahunty? this dude?
http://debatesonvideo.***/2016/02/dress-wearing-atheist-matt-dillahunty.html

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 20 2021 05:55am

If you want to go down that path then why is there something called the Big Bang Theory? Now that is something that is just that, a theory. One would need to have faith that it was the Big Bang. Just like with God, one must have faith. Who hopes for what they see? It is the things unseen for what we hope for.

What I am saying is that the order of creation points to a creator. I don't know about you but all of the big explosions I have ever seen has resulted in chaos. How can the Big Bang create order? That, I DON'T KNOW.

Let's look at the flip side, science can explain how a Rainbow is formed and yet that means it was science and not God. Based on your logic if science can explain the phenomenon then it wasn't God. If science can't explain the phenomenon then who knows if it was God? You are not giving God much of a chance are you?

I was lost for a very long time and hopelessly lost. It was only after I prayed that I went in a random direction and found my way back. Let's go down the coincidence path, wouldn't it be worthwhile to pray to God in those times nonetheless?

Again, the very first thing you said was "I don't need your research." You later go on say "Do some more research. Yours was inadequate." How can you make such a claim when, in the very same post, you admitted to not reading my research? Now that is another circumstance where you have faith about what my research is like without seeing it first hand. This is something I would like to hear your answer.