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Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 5 2019 05:09pm)
Are you talking about the air we breath compressed?


if you were following the original chat (side topic) in this thread, then you wouldn't be asking that question.
if you are just picking out random (chat) quotes and don't know what context it relates too, then you may simply be trolling.
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 5 2019 10:19am)
if you were following the original chat (side topic) in this thread, then you wouldn't be asking that question.
if you are just picking out random (chat) quotes and don't know what context it relates too, then you may simply be trolling.


I didn't follow that one. I just know it led to the discussion or oxygen as an oxidizer ....etc but just glanced over it

Was more interested in the FE/GE debates but of cause you're now reluctant to answer so thought I'd chat a bit about this

in any case here's the dilemma in the pic
You are just going by the person's word/belief that its flammable when he asked with nothing to back it up

here's the link it came from
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-compressed-air-flammable-What-is-the-chemistry-behind-it

And the 2nd answer

Anthony Caputo
Answered Oct 9, 2016
Compressed air itself is not flammable. But the act of compressing the air can introduce hydrocarbons from lubricants in certain types of pumps, and under the right circumstances that mixture could theoretically be flammable. I would think it would take a pretty strange set of circumstances to achieve that though.


howerver, If you are talking about can's of compressed air like air/gas dusters, those often contain butane which is flammable

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Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 5 2019 05:55pm)
I didn't follow that one. I just know it led to the discussion or oxygen as an oxidizer ....etc but just glanced over it

Was more interested in the FE/GE debates but of cause you're now reluctant to answer so thought I'd chat a bit about this

in any case here's the dilemma in the pic
You are just going by the person's word/belief that its flammable when he asked with nothing to back it up

here's the link it came from
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-compressed-air-flammable-What-is-the-chemistry-behind-it

And the 2nd answer

Anthony Caputo
Answered Oct 9, 2016
Compressed air itself is not flammable. But the act of compressing the air can introduce hydrocarbons from lubricants in certain types of pumps, and under the right circumstances that mixture could theoretically be flammable. I would think it would take a pretty strange set of circumstances to achieve that though.


howerver, If you are talking about can's of compressed air like air/gas dusters, those often contain butane which is flammable


now take this information and speculation and move forward and address the issue I posted at #14137.
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 5 2019 11:13am)
now take this information and speculation and move forward and address the issue I posted at #14137.


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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 5 2019 05:58am)
the original subject got derailed in my opinion, because we were originally talking about compressed air.
We established that compressed air is flammable.
So: compressed air + a spark = ?

No you did not at least not the regular air we breathe compressed. We only established oxygen being an oxidizer

back to the 787
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf
The fuel is not all held in the wings

As far as weight is concerned heavier craft have been launched so why is that such a surprise ?

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Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 5 2019 07:02pm)
before we do

No you did not at least not the regular air we breathe compressed. We only established oxygen being an oxidizer

back to the 787
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf
The fuel is not all held in the wings

As far as weight is concerned heavier craft have been launched so why is that such a surprise ?


you seem to have missed the part where the OP was given two different reasons why compressed air is flammable not why it isn't, but I don't want to restart the whole debate again.
let's forget this issue for the moment and address the next part.

Do you believe the fuel is stored where the cargo goes? next to passengers deodorant cans and other potentially explosive belongings?
I'm just trying to grasp how you are rationalizing where they can put 126,000 litres of fuel?
please continue with your explanations and any evidence to support your theories.
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 5 2019 11:57am)
you seem to have missed the part where the OP was given two different reasons why compressed air is flammable not why it isn't, but I don't want to restart the whole debate again.
let's forget this issue for the moment and address the next part.

Do you believe the fuel is stored where the cargo goes? next to passengers deodorant cans and other potentially explosive belongings?
I'm just trying to grasp how you are rationalizing where they can put 126,000 litres of fuel?
please continue with your explanations and any evidence to support your theories.


probably not.

Its all explained in the document link I attached .
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf

1st image



If you disagree, well then you need to take it up with them
http://www.boeing.com/contact-us.page

I've never been into the technical specs of planes

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Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 5 2019 07:39pm)
probably not.

Its all explained in the document link I attached .
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf

1st image
https://i.ibb.co/gPMyjgP/787.png


If you disagree, well then you need to take it up with them
http://www.boeing.com/contact-us.page

I've never been into the technical specs of planes but am curious myself


you know the rules bro, cartoon drawings are not proof...
thanks for trying though
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 5 2019 12:19pm)
you know the rules bro, cartoon drawings are not proof...
thanks for trying though


Its straight from Boeing themselves. I posted the link where it came from.

You on the other hand post images from image hosting sites with no links or references

If you still want to disagree thats cool. I'm just giving info boeing provided
You don't see me with a sig like yours or posts telling you to believe anything

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Quote (ChivasRegal @ 5 Aug 2019 09:16)
your interpretation of compressed air seems to differ from mine...

*gets that weird feeling of an incoming topic derailment*


You compress it with your lung, and the rubber balloon keeps it compressed. ofcourse it is not 10+ atm (or bars) but it is higher than 1, so it is compressed...
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Aug 5 2019 04:43am
Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 5 2019 07:51pm)
Its straight from Boeing themselves. I posted the link where it came from.

You on the other hand post images from image hosting sites with no links or references

If you still want to disagree thats cool. I'm just giving info boeing provided
You don't see me with a sig like yours or posts telling you to believe anything


See this is the fundamental problem, if nasa or boeing show cartoon drawings you just auto believe it as truth.
You blindly accept hearsay as credible evidence or fact. You literally just proved this very point.

Saying "but why would they lie?" is just being ignorant and doesn't qualify as a rebuttal.
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