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Aug 3 2019 03:56pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 3 2019 11:37pm)
yeah, i'm not even sure HELL is in the Bible - i think it was invented to control people back in the middle ages. Here's what they did. Say they convicted your father of murder.
He didn't even need to commit it - they could just pay some whore a coin to say she saw you stab someone, lies were probably worse and more blatant than today, and 2 minutes later the crime is solved and your father is hanging in tree. (YA 12th century justice - j/k) Anyway - so the church would now own you as the son forever and you had to work for the Church to buy your father's way out of Hell. Thankful, most people dont buy that story anymore.


Mark 43 mentions it.
I think it was generally the term used for the after life with punishment for the wicked (as per Christian Dogma)
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Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 3 2019 05:56pm)
Mark 43 mentions it.
I think it was generally the term used for the after life with punishment for the wicked (as per Christian Dogma)


Mark only has 16 chapters i think, do you know which chapter?
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Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 4 2019 06:06am)
I said that in prev post 2nd sentence . If you don't care what I believe cool.
As far as Chivas is concerned its blatant on his sig Card.

He's now not only insisting we believe but now claiming we going to hell if we don't or say otherwise


I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, I am presenting the truth here. The CHOICE of accepting the truth is up to each one of YOU.
I make no claims about you going to hell, the Bible and Holy Scriptures are stating those claims, I am here presenting those claims. Stop your persistent word twisting and lying please.

The book of Revelation tells us that in the very near future that one third of the stars are going to fall to earth. This clearly tells us that the stars are attached INSIDE the dome, not outside.
Plenty of people have seen the ice wall but it doesn't make any difference because it is just hearsay. The fact is YOU haven't seen the ice wall and the problem starts when YOU decide to go there.
Don't speculate, just try to make the actual trip there for yourself and see if YOU can bring back proof of the ice wall. Until then you are just trolling and baiting.
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Aug 3 2019 09:21pm
How do tides happen in a flat stationary surface?
Why are your shadows longer at times of the day..
How come certain constellations are not visible from certain latitude and longitudes.
FE people are flat scientifically proven to be high ego low intelligence.
Dunning Kruger.
Figure it the fuck out before you reproduce.
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How do tides happen in a flat stationary surface?
Why are your shadows longer at times of the day..
How come certain constellations are not visible from certain latitude and longitudes.
FE people are flat scientifically proven to be high ego low intelligence.
Dunning Kruger.
Figure it the fuck out before you reproduce.


Why is it that if you look south in South America you see the same constellations as somebody looking south in Australia, but rotated in a way that perfectly matches their locations on a globe earth?
Why is it that amateur astronomers can view the international space station and see no balloons, and how is it going so fast that you can see it all the way on the other side of the earth on the same day if it's held up by a balloon?
Why are private companies wasting billions of dollars pretending to put satellites around Earth?
Why does anybody care what the public thinks the shape of the earth is?
Why is it that if you look back at naval navigation it can be found they accounted for the shape of the earth literally thousands of years ago?
Why do flat earthers have no functioning map of the earth? Why does globe earth perfectly predict eclipses?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 3 2019 09:38pm
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Aug 3 2019 10:00pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 4 2019 12:08am)
Mark only has 16 chapters i think, do you know which chapter?


My bad. Mark 9 vs 43

https://biblehub.com/esv/mark/9.htm

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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 4 2019 01:56am)
I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, I am presenting the truth here. The CHOICE of accepting the truth is up to each one of YOU.
I make no claims about you going to hell, the Bible and Holy Scriptures are stating those claims, I am here presenting those claims. Stop your persistent word twisting and lying please.

The book of Revelation tells us that in the very near future that one third of the stars are going to fall to earth. This clearly tells us that the stars are attached INSIDE the dome, not outside.
Plenty of people have seen the ice wall but it doesn't make any difference because it is just hearsay. The fact is YOU haven't seen the ice wall and the problem starts when YOU decide to go there.
Don't speculate, just try to make the actual trip there for yourself and see if YOU can bring back proof of the ice wall. Until then you are just trolling and baiting.


The thing is you asking us to accept it but not providing any concrete proof it is the truth

Furthermore there is no verse about people going to hell for their belief in the shape of the earth which I have pointed out both times with the verses you tried to use showing what the writer meant

2nd time
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=77269763&f=27&o=14020

The verse in revelations is 6vs 13
3 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale

No indication whether they stuck to dome or floating just below
2nd you are going on the interpretaion of a vision someone had nearly 2000 years ago
The apostle John could have seen a meteor shower

Lastly as I pointed out the Ice Wall is closer to the dome thus stars should be nearer yet they don't appear any larger

As far as its existence is concerned we only have your word

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I’m still stuck on the moon providing my eyes the perfect crescent shape when the sun is on the other side of the planet
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Aug 4 2019 12:11am
Quote (kai_jph @ Aug 4 2019 01:32pm)
The thing is you asking us to accept it but not providing any concrete proof it is the truth

Furthermore there is no verse about people going to hell for their belief in the shape of the earth which I have pointed out both times with the verses you tried to use showing what the writer meant

2nd time
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=77269763&f=27&o=14020

The verse in revelations is 6vs 13
3 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale

No indication whether they stuck to dome or floating just below
2nd you are going on the interpretaion of a vision someone had nearly 2000 years ago
The apostle John could have seen a meteor shower

Lastly as I pointed out the Ice Wall is closer to the dome thus stars should be nearer yet they don't appear any larger

As far as its existence is concerned we only have your word


Look at you, you just keep doing it. Twisting words again and again.
Yes the Romans 1:20-24 verses are talking about sin and wrong doing. And what do you think telling a lie is? lying is a sin. Telling a lie is doing wrong.
Telling people a lie about a spinning ball and denying Gods Word (the Holy Scriptures that clearly detail a flat stationary earth with a firmament) is sin and wrong doing.
This isn't my opinion, this is straight out of the Holy Bible.
And the verse says that Gods wrath will come to those who are partaking in these sins and wrong doing.

Secondly John was shown a clear vision and was given clear understanding of what was being shown to him. It doesn't say " something that looks like a star fell to the earth".
He knew exactly that what he was seeing was stars falling. He had full comprehension of his visions.

Thirdly, you failing to understand perspective and convergence is why you have trouble grasping the concept of seeing stars while being at the ice wall. I can't help you with this part sorry, I've already tried.
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Aug 4 2019 12:42am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Aug 4 2019 08:11am)
Look at you, you just keep doing it. Twisting words again and again.
Yes the Romans 1:20-24 verses are talking about sin and wrong doing. And what do you think telling a lie is? lying is a sin. Telling a lie is doing wrong.
Telling people a lie about a spinning ball and denying Gods Word (the Holy Scriptures that clearly detail a flat stationary earth with a firmament) is sin and wrong doing.
This isn't my opinion, this is straight out of the Holy Bible.
And the verse says that Gods wrath will come to those who are partaking in these sins and wrong doing.

Secondly John was shown a clear vision and was given clear understanding of what was being shown to him. It doesn't say " something that looks like a star fell to the earth".
He knew exactly that what he was seeing was stars falling. He had full comprehension of his visions.

Thirdly, you failing to understand perspective and convergence is why you have trouble grasping the concept of seeing stars while being at the ice wall. I can't help you with this part sorry, I've already tried.


The question is what is the Lie?
You have failed to scientifically prove every theory you brought forward

As far as John is concerned
Even today a meteor burning in the atmosphere is termed a "falling star" due to appearance
How do you think a man would have interpreted it ~2000 years ago (if thats what he saw) even with a clear view of the sky?

Even if it was stars falling there is no indication to their exact position (stuck to the dome floating just below) before that

There is also no way of you knowing the level understanding John had especially since people at the time knew and understood less than we do today

Today with all the tech at our disposal what scientific proof do you have of this? None

If we take perspective into account, an object appears larger the closer you get
All you need to do is take a holiday trip to Antarctica and look up in the sky at night

The stars do not appear any larger yet theoretically the dome thus stars are closer to antarctica in the FE model.

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