Why would the state tell you the truth - they want to keep people as dumb as possible so they can keep fanning the flames of derision and raking in the cash.

Why do you think you're on this website with all is schmucks and not on a beach island with 20 super sexy 19 year olds?

Consider this quote “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~ Joseph Goebbels

Do you know who that was - the was the Head of Nazi Propaganda. Now consider after WW2 we imported thousands of
the smartest Nazis [project paperclip] to run the American goverment [the other half went to Russia] and develop the Space program/CIA/Project MK Ultra.
We all need to Wake up.

that's not truth....

As before you admitting to not being able to get to the truth or proving it

But anyway I'm assuming you mean the governments / states we live under, correct?

This post was edited by kai_jph on Aug 3 2019 02:11pm

you want 10000% truth, but even on your own model they tell you they have no idea about 95% of it, they can't even find it.
So what your asking for is a Flying Unicorn that Shits diamonds.
https://imgur.com/4DLuMnO

If you want 1000% proof - build your own rocket and go to mars, don't be so lazy................................

I don't want 10000% truth. No one has that and people are discovering new things every year.
I'm just curious what references you and chivas have to back your claims

You guys want us to accept your model. Or maybe you don't but chivas does evident by his sig

This post was edited by kai_jph on Aug 3 2019 02:30pm

The earth is man t surrounded by ice

That sun model would melt the center of the earth seeings how it’s centered around it

another stupid troll claim - the state wants you to accept the spaceball one where nothing created everything you are just worthless space dust.

I'm not insisting you choose - the choice is your to make - you must decide, i'm just offer another option.

I said that in prev post 2nd sentence . If you don't care what I believe cool.
As far as Chivas is concerned its blatant on his sig Card.

He's now not only insisting we believe but now claiming we going to hell if we don't or say otherwise

This post was edited by kai_jph on Aug 3 2019 02:42pm

If you go to a car dealer , and the guy tries to sell you on a car. so your logic is "Ha - i'm not going to buy it cause the bad man is insisting i buy it."

Dude, you control what you like, you control what you buy, you control what you do.

Does someone in your life control you and you're tired of it?

Really? Can you post a pic of his sig, i can't see them with the 50%