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Jul 21 2019 12:13pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 21 2019 12:31pm)
-Sorry - safety manuals list it as explosive - whether or not it combusts is irrelevant and not understand the definition of what a fuel is.
-Sorry but you forget to mention Ozone at higher levels in the air and the presence of water can be as much as 3%
-I gave links to sources that show how Ozone can support weight when levitated between magnetic sources and showed a photo that shows a magnetic field is created in Airplanes, try to keep up.
-Jumbo jets using 30 tanker trucks full of liquid fuel is highly improbable - it exceeds optimal weight to power ratios. Something else is going on.
-The Spruce Goose operational ceiling was never determined because it was too heavy because it exceeded an optimal power to weight ratio and was not fully understood, this was the dawn of powered flight, not with the help of the technological knowledge we employ today.


An MSDS lists a danger of explosion, due to oxygen being necessary for combustion. Oxygen in and of itself is not explosive in the slightest. Combustibility is of the utmost relevance. We glean mechanical work from the reaction of fuel and oxidizer, the reaction is called combustion.

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adjective: explosive
1.
able or likely to shatter violently or burst apart, as when a bomb explodes.
"an explosive device"
synonyms: volatile, inflammable, flammable, combustible, incendiary, eruptive, unstable
"the danger of explosive gases"


Oxygen is not able or likely to shatter violently or burst apart. Note the synonym "combustible."

Holy shit! What the fuck do you think ozone is made of? THREE molecules of... get this... OXYGEN. Like literally. O³ is the chemical notation for ozone. O = oxygen. O³ = three of them. What a fucking gold mine of humor today!

You're going to have to quote the post number on that one, because my bullshit detector probably told me to summarily dismiss it the first go around, and it's bleeping again now.

Your definition of improbable means very little to me. Jumbo jets are known to carry hundreds of thousands of pounds in fuel. Surfpunk even used to have a job at the local international airport fueling them.

1947 was 44 years after the dawn of powered flight. They understood power to weight ratios just fine by then. I'll take Howard Hughes genius over your incredulity any day. It was not "too heavy" to fly. That's a popular myth.

Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 21 2019 12:40pm)
no - jsp trolls like yourself are saying its not a fuel source - im saying that technically it is a fuel source

not to mention that Technology can make any particle, a potential fuel source.

Maybe you would understand it more if i just used the word "magic" and "a wizard did it" - just like the magic force that holds you to the ground

"Airplane Pilots" [i mean wizards]
are using magic fairy dust, prove me wrong!


In the most technical of terms possible, no it is not. It is REQUIRED for the fuel TO COMBUST, but is not itself combustible in the slightest, jsp troll.

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Jul 21 2019 12:15pm
Oxygen + gasoline + spark = boom
Oxygen + methane + spark = boom
Oxygen + hydrogen + spark = boom
Methane + gasoline + spark = nothing
Oxygen + Oxygen + spark = nothing

Oxygen is special in combustion, it is always required so it’s called an oxidant. It is not a fuel. Words have meaning, you not understanding or being to special to admit your wrong doesn’t change that.
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Jul 21 2019 12:19pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 21 2019 06:40pm)
no - jsp trolls like yourself are saying its not a fuel source - im saying that technically it is a fuel source

not to mention that Technology can make any particle, a potential fuel source.

Maybe you would understand it more if i just used the word "magic" and "a wizard did it" - just like the magic force that holds you to the ground

"Airplane Pilots" [i mean wizards]
are using magic fairy dust, prove me wrong!


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81580150&f=27

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Jul 21 2019 04:26pm
Quote (remco6 @ Jul 21 2019 02:15pm)
Oxygen + gasoline + spark = boom
Oxygen + methane + spark = boom
Oxygen + hydrogen + spark = boom
Methane + gasoline + spark = nothing
Oxygen + Oxygen + spark = nothing

Oxygen is special in combustion, it is always required so it’s called an oxidant. It is not a fuel. Words have meaning, you not understanding or being to special to admit your wrong doesn’t change that.


How said there's needs to be a spark and combustion - your argument is moot.

Here a video where they explains that the explosion and the pressure is what's necessary.

He even uses the word explosion multiple times

https://youtu.be/xflY5uS-nnw

I've already provided a link to safety websites that says compressed oxygen is explosive

from Wicca-pedi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion

An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner
, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases. Supersonic explosions created by high explosives are known as detonations and travel via supersonic shock waves. Subsonic explosions are created by low explosives through a slower burning process known as deflagration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detonation
Detonation (from Latin detonare, meaning 'to thunder down/forth'[1]) is a type of combustion involving a supersonic exothermic front accelerating through a medium that eventually drives a shock front propagating directly in front of it. Detonations occur in both conventional solid and liquid explosives,[2] as well as in reactive gases. The velocity of detonation in solid and liquid explosives is much higher than that in gaseous ones, which allows the wave system to be observed with greater detail (higher resolution).

A very wide variety of fuels may occur as gases, droplet fogs, or dust suspensions. Oxidants include halogens, ozone, hydrogen peroxide and oxides of nitrogen. Gaseous detonations are often associated with a mixture of fuel and oxidant in a composition somewhat below conventional flammability ratios. They happen most often in confined systems, but they sometimes occur in large vapor clouds. Other materials, such as acetylene, ozone, and hydrogen peroxide are detonable in the absence of dioxygen.[3][4]

Now go away troll and dont ever come back
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Jul 21 2019 04:56pm
Quote (Santara @ Jul 21 2019 02:13pm)
An MSDS lists a danger of explosion, due to oxygen being necessary for combustion. Oxygen in and of itself is not explosive in the slightest. Combustibility is of the utmost relevance. We glean mechanical work from the reaction of fuel and oxidizer, the reaction is called combustion.

Oxygen is not able or likely to shatter violently or burst apart. Note the synonym "combustible."

Holy shit! What the fuck do you think ozone is made of? THREE molecules of... get this... OXYGEN. Like literally. O³ is the chemical notation for ozone. O = oxygen. O³ = three of them. What a fucking gold mine of humor today!

You're going to have to quote the post number on that one, because my bullshit detector probably told me to summarily dismiss it the first go around, and it's bleeping again now.

Your definition of improbable means very little to me. Jumbo jets are known to carry hundreds of thousands of pounds in fuel. Surfpunk even used to have a job at the local international airport fueling them.

1947 was 44 years after the dawn of powered flight. They understood power to weight ratios just fine by then. I'll take Howard Hughes genius over your incredulity any day. It was not "too heavy" to fly. That's a popular myth.



In the most technical of terms possible, no it is not. It is REQUIRED for the fuel TO COMBUST, but is not itself combustible in the slightest, jsp troll.

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saying you must have combustion and referring to regular O² when we're talking about compressed super cooled O² and O³ (which i've already referred to as Ozone) is just you double down on your low IQ. Explosion dont occur only from combustion , they need rapid volumatic eruption which my reply to remco6 showed. Your BS detector is always going off, cause no matter where you go, there you are. A gas pump attendant doesnt make one qualified to understand the workings of airplane engine mechanics. If you think Jumbo Jets carrying 30 tankers of Jet Fuel is "probable" - congrats are being a sheep. Baaaa. Also - wasn't the Spruce Goose right around the time Howard Hughes went totally insane, became a hermit and start hoarding his own pee? If you wanna talk about myths - i'm open to discuss your faith in a mafic force. Till then just keep believing a wizard did it - with magic fairy combustible dust.
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Jul 21 2019 07:01pm
as the moon landing real?
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Jul 21 2019 11:15pm
This is the best thread ever + the never landed on the moon.
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Jul 22 2019 04:43pm
Quote (Greater @ Jul 21 2019 09:01pm)
as the moon landing real?


the only thing that's been to space is your imagination


Found this on Facebook today - i guess truth never dies

Someone embed pls

https://i.imgur.com/RjDFpuW.jpg
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Jul 22 2019 10:45pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 23 2019 08:13am)
the only thing that's been to space is your imagination


Found this on Facebook today - i guess truth never dies

Someone embed pls

https://i.imgur.com/RjDFpuW.jpg




done :)
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Jul 23 2019 11:59pm
mandatory bump for top thread.

Quote (KraftDinn3r @ Jul 22 2019 08:15am)
This is the best thread ever + the never landed on the moon.


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