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Jul 17 2019 09:53pm
Quote (Santara @ Jul 18 2019 01:06pm)
Jet engines COMPRESS the outside air. That's why there's this super important part of a jet engine called... get this... a compressor. But if they run out of FUEL, they will fall out of the sky. There is no such thing as a powered aircraft that achieves its motion through simply expelling compressed air. Do you have ANY idea how much air they would have to carry to make a simple flight around an airport?


but compressed air is flammable, so why add fuel (flammable) to another flammable substance?

are you even curious about a turbine engine that can spark compressed air only? (Not expelling compressed air, but combusting it)
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Jul 17 2019 09:54pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 18 2019 12:51am)
still waiting for a single globe proof - you have none

keep dodging and trolling




Ironically you have none for FE and are unable to get it in your own words
Even though you claim to not be here to prove you just proved the OP may not be as correct as you say

You the one who keeps dodging and trolling then demand answers.
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Jul 17 2019 09:59pm
Quote (remco6 @ Jul 17 2019 07:14pm)
If I take a bottle of compressed O2, open it to release the oxygen and direct the oxygen at a lighter or sparker what will happen card?

Alternatively if I take an oxy-acetylene torch and light it, once its burning I shut of the acetylene, what will happen card?


explain why oxygen is a fuel source for rockets, but thinking oxygen can be a fuel source for jets is absolutely crazy? Are you protection the Oil and Gas industry by insisting on archaic traditional sources of combustion? If you look at compressing air into compressing oxygen and get a by product of compressed nitrogen, by using this technique

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_swing_adsorption

- changing compression can cause it to ignite.

https://www.praxair.com/-/media/corporate/praxairus/documents/sds/nitrogen/nitrogen-compressed-safety-data-sheet-sds-p4631.pdf?la=en&rev=a1cace0165794a3e94e17ee04c9064d3

Your plea to bad science only shows me that you think their thinking is limited to what you think possible. I would think that jet engine technology is the cutting edge of real science.
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Jul 17 2019 10:06pm
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Jul 17 2019 10:53pm)
but compressed air is flammable, so why add fuel (flammable) to another flammable substance?

are you even curious about a turbine engine that can spark compressed air only? (Not expelling compressed air, but combusting it)


No, it is not flammable. It is necessary to MAKE THE FLAMMABLE STUFF BURN. No air, no burning. No burning, no rapidly expanding gases escaping through the exhaust to create propulsion.

Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 10:59pm)
explain why oxygen is a fuel source for rockets, but thinking oxygen can be a fuel source for jets is absolutely crazy? Are you protection the Oil and Gas industry by insisting on archaic traditional sources of combustion? If you look at compressing air into compressing oxygen and get a by product of compressed nitrogen, by using this technique

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_swing_adsorption

- changing compression can cause it to ignite.

https://www.praxair.com/-/media/corporate/praxairus/documents/sds/nitrogen/nitrogen-compressed-safety-data-sheet-sds-p4631.pdf?la=en&rev=a1cace0165794a3e94e17ee04c9064d3

Your plea to bad science only shows me that you think their thinking is limited to what you think possible. I would think that jet engine technology is the cutting edge of real science.


Oxygen is not fuel. Oxygen is NEEDED for the fuel to BURN.
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Jul 17 2019 10:13pm
Quote (kai_jph @ Jul 17 2019 11:50pm)
As I said to ask about FE since you guys post theories a lot

Lets talk about lying
You say you not here to prove anything but you keep coming here to fight for your beliefs

As you said warns make you a warrior and you'd rather be a martyr than a lying puppet

Then you post a wall of FE support text after saying



So you here to fight for your belief and engage in a fe/ge debate when you not here to prove anything or care what we believe?
You're not fooling anyone


your blind faith in astro religion fantasy and denial of reality has 0 influence on Myself knowing the Earth is flat.
I think your giving yourself way to much credit, please prove anyone cares what you believe.
You're just a triggered troller - you do make me laugh. Keep jumping around, its amusing.


Quote (kai_jph @ Jul 17 2019 11:54pm)
Ironically you have none for FE and are unable to get it in your own words
Even though you claim to not be here to prove you just proved the OP may not be as correct as you say

You the one who keeps dodging and trolling then demand answers.


My job is not to prove what i believe to you, you on the other hand expect everyone to believe the concessus or have a right to troll the fuck outta them.
This post was all about showing that the consensus hasn't a friggin clue where they live,
and are triggered as F if you question them. But thanks for playing along.

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Jul 17 2019 10:20pm
Quote (Santara @ Jul 18 2019 12:06am)
No, it is not flammable. It is necessary to MAKE THE FLAMMABLE STUFF BURN. No air, no burning. No burning, no rapidly expanding gases escaping through the exhaust to create propulsion.



Oxygen is not fuel. Oxygen is NEEDED for the fuel to BURN.


you exhibit a complete lack of reading skills/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen

Common uses of oxygen include production of steel, plastics and textiles, brazing, welding and cutting of steels and other metals, rocket propellant, oxygen therapy, and life support systems in aircraft, submarines, spaceflight and diving.

once again - provide a scientific citation that shows why oxygen can be a fuel source for rockets but not for jets?
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Jul 17 2019 10:27pm
:DDD , deez repeating of course.
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Jul 17 2019 10:27pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 18 2019 06:13am)
your blind faith in astro religion fantasy and denial of reality has 0 influence on Myself knowing the Earth is flat.
I think your giving yourself way to much credit, please prove anyone cares what you believe.
You're just a triggered troller - you do make me laugh. Keep jumping around, its amusing.

Yet you say you dont care. Why even having this conv?
And you say you know something you admit you are unable to admit for sure?


Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 18 2019 06:13am)
My job is not to prove what i believe to you, you on the other hand expect everyone to believe the concessus or have a right to troll the fuck outta them.
This post was all about showing that the consensus hasn't a friggin clue where they live,
and are triggered as F if you question them. But thanks for playing along.


I just said you don't have to believe if you don't accept the proof given to you

Ironically you just proved the opposite to your beliefs claiming the "true full truth" (iw and dome) is unobtainable

Since it not your job to prove and you don't care what we believe then there's no reason to accept what you "know" to be true

This is actually quite amusing how you keep refuting your own arguments

This post was edited by kai_jph on Jul 17 2019 10:28pm
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Jul 17 2019 10:40pm
Quote (kai_jph @ Jul 18 2019 12:27am)
Yet you say you dont care. Why even having this conv?


because you keep trolling, so people can see how triggered you are.

The more you troll, the more globe earth loses respect.

I don't need to prove anything, you're proving it.


Quote (kai_jph @ Jul 18 2019 12:27am)
Since it not your job to prove and you don't care what we believe then there's no reason to accept what you "know" to be true

This is actually quite amusing how you keep refuting your own arguments


Who is this we you speak of?

It is your job to prove the concess, since you cant do it - your claiming a refusal burden of proof,
just shows how me that you're a 100% meaningless troll.

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Jul 17 2019 10:42pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 11:20pm)
you exhibit a complete lack of reading skills/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen

Common uses of oxygen include production of steel, plastics and textiles, brazing, welding and cutting of steels and other metals, rocket propellant, oxygen therapy, and life support systems in aircraft, submarines, spaceflight and diving.

once again - provide a scientific citation that shows why oxygen can be a fuel source for rockets but not for jets?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_propellant

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Current cryogenic types
Liquid oxygen (LOX) and highly refined kerosene (RP-1). Used for the first stages of the Atlas V, Falcon, Soyuz, Zenit, and developmental rockets like Angara and Long March 6. This combination is widely regarded as the most practical for boosters that lift off at ground level and therefore must operate at full atmospheric pressure.
LOX and liquid hydrogen. Used on the Centaur upper stage, the Delta IV rocket, the H-IIA rocket, most stages of the European Ariane 5, and the Space launch system core and upper stages.
LOX and liquid methane will be used on several rockets in development, including Vulcan and New Glenn.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-1

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RP-1 (alternately, Rocket Propellant-1 or Refined Petroleum-1) is a highly refined form of kerosene outwardly similar to jet fuel, used as rocket fuel.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_hydrogen

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Liquid hydrogen is a common liquid rocket fuel for rocketry applications — both NASA and the United States Air Force operate a large number of liquid hydrogen tanks with an individual capacity up to 3.8 million liters (1 million U.S. gallons).[8] In most rocket engines fueled by liquid hydrogen, it first cools the nozzle and other parts before being mixed with the oxidizer — usually liquid oxygen (LOX) — and burned to produce water with traces of ozone and hydrogen peroxide.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane#Fuel

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Methane is used as a fuel for ovens, homes, water heaters, kilns, automobiles,[21][22] turbines, and other things. Activated carbon is used to store methane. Liquid [23] methane is also used as a rocket fuel when combined with liquid oxygen, as in the BE-4 and Raptor engines.
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