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Jul 17 2019 07:55am
Quote (kai_jph @ Jul 17 2019 04:55am)
How am I trolling?
Is it unreasonable to ask you to back your claims up?

You refuse to accept GE without proof and reject proof offered which is fine. Thats how debates work
In the other side of the coin you then can't expect people to accept your claims without proof

You also said you dont care what I believe but keep dabating your claim is correct.
Thats a contradiction


you are trolling because you think i'm trying to prove flat earth to you

when the truth is i'm here to listen your truth about Ball Earth, but you always dodge and troll, and the only thing you prove is how desperate people like you are.

Quote (Santara @ Jul 17 2019 07:32am)
It isn't listed as flammable. It said:

"MAY CAUSE OR INTENSIFY FIRE; OXIDIZER"

And that's because oxygen is necessary for FLAMMABLE materials to burn. Because oxygen is the OXIDIZER, a necessary component for combustion.


may cause = flammable

i asked for Scientific citation of your claim, you dodged

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Jul 17 2019 08:08am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 08:55am)
may cause = flammable

i asked for Scientific citation of your claim, you dodged

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No silly.

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flam·ma·ble
/ˈflaməb(ə)l/
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adjective
easily set on fire.


Oxygen doesn't burn. If it did, your oven would burst into flames every time you turn it on.

Go learn something: https://sciencing.com/pure-o2-flammable-7804267.html

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If you use a portable oxygen breathing machine, you have probably been told not to bring the oxygen within 5 feet of an open flame. This proximity is dangerous not because oxygen is flammable but because oxygen is an accelerator. This means that in order for a substance to burn, it needs oxygen -- or some other strong oxidizing agent -- but the oxygen itself is not what goes up in flames. Rather, oxygen combines with fuel at the right temperature and initiates a chain reaction known as fire.

What Is Oxygen?
Oxygen is a fundamental element -- the third most common element in the universe. Symbolized by the letter "O" on the periodic table, this gas has an atomic number of 8, meaning it has 8 protons and, normally, 8 electrons. Because of its atomic structure, it is a highly reactive gas, so it readily forms compounds, such as water and carbon dioxide. The Earth's atmosphere is approximately 21 percent oxygen, but its crust is about one-half oxygen.

What Is Fire?
Fire is the result of a process called combustion. In this process, an oxidizer, such as oxygen, combines with a fuel, such as wood or paper, when it is heated to a certain ignition temperature. As the fuel reacts with the oxidizer, the molecules get excited and break apart. The molecules then recombine to form new combustion products, such as carbon dioxide, and release energy, which people perceive primarily as light and heat. The combination of an oxidizer, fuel and heat is sometimes called the fire triangle, and as long as the fire has these three things, it will continue to burn.

Oxidizing Agents
An oxidizing agent, also called an oxidizer or oxidant, can either be a chemical compound that easily gives away its oxygen atoms or a substance that takes on electrons. Oxygen is the former variety, as are ozone and hydrogen peroxide, but any oxidizing agent can support combustion, even if no oxygen is present. While these materials are not combustible themselves, they are still very dangerous because they make other substances burn faster and more readily.

Oxygen Safety
When using a portable oxygen breathing apparatus, you should always stay far away from any open flames, and you should never light a cigarette or be near smokers. Many people believe that because oxygen is not flammable, it does not pose much risk. Even though the oxygen by itself will not burn and even though a flame may be relatively small, the oxygen will help the flame grow much larger, and you could easily ignite a lethal conflagration. Many insurance companies will not pay for oxygen for smokers because so many accidents have resulted from the small blaze of a cigarette.
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Jul 17 2019 08:14am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 03:55pm)
you are trolling because you think i'm trying to prove flat earth to you

Interesting definition since trolling is more of an action than a belief

Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 03:55pm)
when the truth is i'm here to listen your truth about Ball Earth, but you always dodge and troll, and the only thing you prove is how desperate people like you are.

But ok .
you also dodge and troll. Some questions not even requiring any proof
For someone not trying to prove FE you sure talk about it and try back it up a lot (like post 13413 to post 13417)

But since your goal is just to listen to GE, (like I said) if you are not happy with the proof brought forward (I think I did once) don't accept it and continue believing in FE and reject GE
I on the other hand only come here to ask about FE claims and supporting theories since the vid does make the claim the earth is flat.

That being the case If you are not willing to prove you claims or feel you are not here to do so there's not much to discuss since we both don't care what the other believes.

This post was edited by kai_jph on Jul 17 2019 08:18am
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Jul 17 2019 08:18am
Card do you have acces to an oxy-acetylene torch?
It’s a very easy thing to test for yourself. turn on the oxy and try light it , it won’t. pure oxygen won’t ignite it needs a fuel.
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Jul 17 2019 08:51am
Quote (kai_jph @ Jul 17 2019 10:14am)
Interesting definition since trolling is more of an action than a belief


But ok .
you also dodge and troll. Some questions not even requiring any proof
For someone not trying to prove FE you sure talk about it and try back it up a lot (like post 13413 to post 13417)

But since your goal is just to listen to GE, (like I said) if you are not happy with the proof brought forward (I think I did once) don't accept it and continue believing in FE and reject GE
I on the other hand only come here to ask about FE claims and supporting theories since the vid does make the claim the earth is flat.

That being the case If you are not willing to prove you claims or feel you are not here to do so there's not much to discuss since we both don't care what the other believes.


prove the Big Bang, prove we came from Monkeys, prove Heliocentricity, prove the ocean has a bottom

prove i'm here to prove stuff to you

please provide Scientific citation

INB4 more fail, more dodge, more troll

Quote (remco6 @ Jul 17 2019 10:18am)
Card do you have acces to an oxy-acetylene torch?
It’s a very easy thing to test for yourself. turn on the oxy and try light it , it won’t. pure oxygen won’t ignite it needs a fuel.


^^^More fail, we're talking about compressed oxygen, If Lox is a fuel source for rockets, why cant it be for Jets?
Provide citations.
Keep burning gas caveman.
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Jul 17 2019 09:22am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 08:51am)
prove the Big Bang, prove we came from Monkeys, prove Heliocentricity, prove the ocean has a bottom

prove i'm here to prove stuff to you

please provide Scientific citation

INB4 more fail, more dodge, more troll



^^^More fail, we're talking about compressed oxygen, If Lox is a fuel source for rockets, why cant it be for Jets?
Provide citations.
Keep burning gas caveman.


Because LOX is not a fuel.

It is an oxider. There are numerous types of fuel but they all require oxygen for combustion.
The 3 components required for ignition are: oxidizer, fuel, ignition source.

LOX can’t be used for jet engines because the definition of a jet engine is dependant on not using a stored oxygen source for it oxidant. Jets by definition use atmospheric oxygen.

which of these 2 points confuses you?
Santara has already explained this in the simplest easiest to understand method posible.
/e this is beating slinky’s by a long shot 😃

This post was edited by remco6 on Jul 17 2019 09:26am
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Jul 17 2019 09:32am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 17 2019 09:51am)
^^^More fail, we're talking about compressed oxygen, If Lox is a fuel source for rockets, why cant it be for Jets?
Provide citations.
Keep burning gas caveman.


LOX isn't a fuel source for rockets, it's an oxidizer so that the fuel carried by the rocket can burn. Jet engines COULD carry their own oxidizer, but that is a waste of space and resources when they can just scoop up air from the atmosphere. That's why jets have an intake. Rockets go places that do not have air, so they must bring their oxidizer with them.

Quote (remco6 @ Jul 17 2019 10:22am)
/e this is beating slinky’s by a long shot 😃


It's getting there.

This post was edited by Santara on Jul 17 2019 09:38am
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Jul 17 2019 09:42am
Quote (Santara @ Jul 17 2019 10:32am)
LOX isn't a fuel source for rockets, it's an oxidizer so that the fuel carried by the rocket can burn. Jet engines COULD carry their own oxidizer, but that is a waste of space and resources when they can just scoop up air from the atmosphere. That's why jets have an intake. Rockets go places that do not have air, so they must bring their oxidizer with them.


JFC, he's arguing that oxygen burns, now?
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Jul 17 2019 10:05am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jul 17 2019 05:42pm)
JFC, he's arguing that oxygen burns, now?


Exactly.

:rofl:

Man imagine the world without flat earthers. Ok ? Just one second.

Yeah, it would be far less fun. b) keep flat thinking card!
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