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Jul 16 2019 05:09am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 15 2019 11:32pm)
Sorry, the smithsonian museum propaganda site for children is not an acceptable source.

Do you have an actual scientific citation that claims a jet engine can't gets its Oxygen from a frozen tank?

because Wikipedia says this about -297F degree oxygen:

Liquid oxygen has an expansion ratio of 1:861 under 1 standard atmosphere (100 kPa) and 20 °C (68 °F),[3][4] and because of this, it is used in some commercial and military aircraft as a transportable source of breathing oxygen.

which means it can just be warmed up and made into standard air, to be used by humans - and Jet Engines.

Wow, what's it like to keep realizing your whole world view is warped by controlled propaganda and the real info is freely available to you but your to lazy to actually look it up.

This is real embarrassing stuff. Such a slaughter. Tricked by a fancy word/10


Sweet, you're gonna go full slinky on us here. This is gonna be great!

https://history.nasa.gov/conghand/propulsn.htm NASA source on rocket engines.

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D. LIQUID BIPROPELLANT CHEMICAL ROCKETS
The common liquid rocket is bipropellant; it uses two separate propellants, a liquid fuel and liquid oxidizer. These are contained in separate tanks and are mixed only upon injection into the combustion chamber. They may be fed to the combustion chamber by pumps or by pressure in the tanks (fig 2).

https://history.nasa.gov/conghand/fig5d2.gif

Propellant flow rates must be extremely large for high-thrust engines, often hundreds of gallons per second. Pump-fed systems may require engines delivering several thousand horsepower to drive the pumps.4 This power is usually developed by a hot gas turbine, supplied from a gas generator which is actually a small combustion chamber. The main rocket propellants can be used for the gas generator, although, as in the case of the V-2 and the Redstone, a special fuel like hydrogen peroxide can be used for this purpose.5

The pressure-feed system eliminates the need for pumps and turbines; however the high pressure, perhaps 500 pounds per square inch, required in the tanks leads to the necessity for heavier structures, thus adding dead weight to the vehicle that may more than offset the weight saved by removing the pumping system.6 On the other hand, removal of pumping equipment may raise overall reliability,

The walls of the combustion chamber and nozzle must be protected from the extremely high gas temperature. The method most commonly used is to provide passage in the nozzle wall through which one of the propellants can be circulated. In this way the walls are cooled by the propellant, which is later burned. This technique is referred to as regenerative cooling.7

Thrust termination is easily accomplished with the liquid rocket by simply shutting the propellant valves; however, this operation must be precisely timed and controlled. The amount of thrust delivered can be controlled by controlling the rate of propellant flow.


https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/UEET/StudentSite/engines.html NASA source on jet engines. Notice how this site is set up to help grade school kids learn things. This is THE INDOCTRINATION!!!

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Jet engines move the airplane forward with a great force that is produced by a tremendous thrust and causes the plane to fly very fast.

All jet engines, which are also called gas turbines, work on the same principle. The engine sucks air in at the front with a fan. A compressor raises the pressure of the air. The compressor is made with many blades attached to a shaft. The blades spin at high speed and compress or squeeze the air. The compressed air is then sprayed with fuel and an electric spark lights the mixture. The burning gases expand and blast out through the nozzle, at the back of the engine. As the jets of gas shoot backward, the engine and the aircraft are thrust forward. As the hot air is going to the nozzle, it passes through another group of blades called the turbine. The turbine is attached to the same shaft as the compressor. Spinning the turbine causes the compressor to spin.
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Jul 16 2019 06:25am
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https://history.nasa.gov/conghand/propulsn.htm NASA source on rocket engines.



https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/UEET/StudentSite/engines.html NASA source on jet engines. Notice how this site is set up to help grade school kids learn things. This is THE INDOCTRINATION!!!


So, just touching on this side topic, I wanted to throw out a question regarding jet engines and specifically the quote you posted:

Jet engines move the airplane forward with a great force that is produced by a tremendous thrust and causes the plane to fly very fast.

All jet engines, which are also called gas turbines, work on the same principle. The engine sucks air in at the front with a fan. A compressor raises the pressure of the air. The compressor is made with many blades attached to a shaft. The blades spin at high speed and compress or squeeze the air. The compressed air is then sprayed with fuel and an electric spark lights the mixture. The burning gases expand and blast out through the nozzle, at the back of the engine. As the jets of gas shoot backward, the engine and the aircraft are thrust forward. As the hot air is going to the nozzle, it passes through another group of blades called the turbine. The turbine is attached to the same shaft as the compressor. Spinning the turbine causes the compressor to spin.




My question:
If compressed air is already flammable, then why is fuel needed to be added?

Just looking for logical responses to this question please, no ad-hom attacks or word salad replies.
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Jul 16 2019 06:35am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Jul 16 2019 07:25am)
So, just touching on this side topic, I wanted to throw out a question regarding jet engines and specifically the quote you posted:

Jet engines move the airplane forward with a great force that is produced by a tremendous thrust and causes the plane to fly very fast.

All jet engines, which are also called gas turbines, work on the same principle. The engine sucks air in at the front with a fan. A compressor raises the pressure of the air. The compressor is made with many blades attached to a shaft. The blades spin at high speed and compress or squeeze the air. The compressed air is then sprayed with fuel and an electric spark lights the mixture. The burning gases expand and blast out through the nozzle, at the back of the engine. As the jets of gas shoot backward, the engine and the aircraft are thrust forward. As the hot air is going to the nozzle, it passes through another group of blades called the turbine. The turbine is attached to the same shaft as the compressor. Spinning the turbine causes the compressor to spin.


https://i.imgur.com/5mwnPsT.jpg

My question:
If compressed air is already flammable, then why is fuel needed to be added?

Just looking for logical responses to this question please, no ad-hom attacks or word salad replies.


Compressed air by itself isn't flammable. The answer you want is right in your post:

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Lots of (most?) flammable substances need oxygen as an oxidizer to "burn."


Say for example that you have a pool of gasoline inside a room filled with nothing but argon. If you were to provide a spark to the gasoline vapor, nothing would happen. No fire would ensue, because the oxidizer (oxygen) isn't present. That's why, when you fight fires, the best methods for putting fires out involve removing the oxygen supply from the fire. In gas, oil, and grease fires, that means covering the burning liquid with foams or powders (sand or PKP). Oxygen is absolutely necessary for most fires, but by itself is not flammable.

This post was edited by Santara on Jul 16 2019 06:43am
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Jul 16 2019 06:54am
Quote (Santara @ Jul 16 2019 10:05pm)
Compressed air by itself isn't flammable. The answer you want is right in your post:



Say for example that you have a pool of gasoline inside a room filled with nothing but argon. If you were to provide a spark to the gasoline vapor, nothing would happen. No fire would ensue, because the oxidizer (oxygen) isn't present. That's why, when you fight fires, the best methods for putting fires out involve removing the oxygen supply from the fire. In gas, oil, and grease fires, that means covering the burning liquid with foams or powders (sand or PKP). Oxygen is absolutely necessary for most fires, but by itself is not flammable.


I feel like you have cherry-picked one line (out of context) and not given a reasonable answer to the question. Then you proceeded to discuss methods of extinguishing a fire when the original question relates to starting a fire (the initial act of combustion).

I might continue this tomorrow, time to log off and sleep.
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Jul 16 2019 06:56am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Jul 16 2019 03:54pm)
I feel like you have cherry-picked one line (out of context) and not given a reasonable answer to the question. Then you proceeded to discuss methods of extinguishing a fire when the original question relates to starting a fire (the initial act of combustion).

I might continue this tomorrow, time to log off and sleep.


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Jul 16 2019 07:10am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Jul 16 2019 07:54am)
I feel like you have cherry-picked one line (out of context) and not given a reasonable answer to the question. Then you proceeded to discuss methods of extinguishing a fire when the original question relates to starting a fire (the initial act of combustion).

I might continue this tomorrow, time to log off and sleep.


I guess I don't know what to say. You gave the answer yourself, I just pointed it out to you. I brought up extinguishing a fire to help you understand the relationship between fuel and oxygen as it relates to fire. Fuel doesn't burn by itself. Oxygen isn't flammable. But add oxygen to fuel, provide enough heat to ignite the fuel, and you have fire for as long as you have BOTH fuel and oxygen. Eliminate either fuel or oxygen, and the fire goes out.
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Jul 16 2019 07:17am
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=77924983&f=90&o=20

Quote (kai_jph @ Jan 18 2018 04:13pm)
what (may I ask) are your qualifications?


Quote (ChivasRegal @ Jan 19 2018 05:09am)
in what? I am qualified to post topics in this sub-forum...


Why am I not surprised ? :rolleyes: :rofl:
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Jul 16 2019 07:23am
Cant make the difference between an oxidizer and combustible.

Blaim the other one for knowing it.

Prefer to remain blind and says its out of "context".

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Quote (Thomas Cross @ Jul 16 2019 12:44am)
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Jul 16 2019 07:58am
Isn’t the combustion triangle basic knowledge on the same level as geeen / go , red / stop?
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