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Jun 26 2019 05:59pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 26 2019 01:33pm)
Yes u do. U link their sources.


that was talking about your post, I guess that movie demonstrating oral care with a toothbrush triggered some memory at Space Camp.
Quote (Santara @ Jun 26 2019 01:43pm)
If you're going to use the father of gravity as a source, make sure you finish the quote:

Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left open to the consideration of my readers. ~ also Isaac Newton, finishing your quote.


Sure he left it open - cause he didn't want to crush your Fantasy.

U can do the same thing, watch

"Only crazy idiots believe in magical force, but whether or not you're an idiot i leave up to the reader"

Einstein explain gravity was a pseudo force as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

General relativity
Unless the state of motion of an object is known, it is impossible to distinguish whether an observed force is due to gravity or to acceleration—gravity and inertial acceleration have identical effects. Albert Einstein called this the equivalence principle, and said that only observers who feel no force at all—including the force of gravity—are justified in concluding that they are not accelerating.

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Jun 26 2019 06:03pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 26 2019 01:51pm)
Work is the product of force and distance. In physics, a force is said to do work if, when acting, there is a movement of the point of application in the direction of the force.

By moving, the slinky is doing work.


the movement is caused by the squirrel, he's doing the work, not the slinky


Quote (Santara @ Jun 26 2019 01:47pm)
I see what you're after, you're simply incredulous that gravity creates pressure.


another unproven assertion - do you have any other kind, Gravity is not a force

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/33875/gravitation-is-not-force

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Jun 26 2019 06:29pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 06:59pm)
that was talking about your post, I guess that movie demonstrating oral care with a toothbrush triggered some memory at Space Camp.

Sure he left it open - cause he didn't want to crush your Fantasy.

U can do the same thing, watch

"Only crazy idiots believe in magical force, but whether or not you're an idiot i leave up to the reader"

Einstein explain gravity was a pseudo force as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

General relativity
Unless the state of motion of an object is known, it is impossible to distinguish whether an observed force is due to gravity or to acceleration—gravity and inertial acceleration have identical effects. Albert Einstein called this the equivalence principle, and said that only observers who feel no force at all—including the force of gravity—are justified in concluding that they are not accelerating.


He clearly asserts that it EXISTS. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left open to the consideration of my readers.

Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 07:03pm)
the movement is caused by the squirrel, he's doing the work, not the slinky


The slinky returns to form after the squirrel lets go. Not possible if no work is performed. Slinkies perform work and are springs.

Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 07:03pm)
another unproven assertion - do you have any other kind, Gravity is not a force

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/33875/gravitation-is-not-force


From your source:

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In GR, there are always two points of view--- local and global. In the local point of view, you look in a neighborhood of a point, and make a free-falling frame, and then motion is entirely in straight lines at constant velocity so that you don't see gravity. In this way of looking at it, gravity is not a "force", meaning it doesn't make a generally covariant contribution to the local curvature of the particle space-time paths.

In the global point of view, you see an incoming particle from infinity deflected by a field, and you say a force has been acting if the particle is deflected. In this point of view, every deflection is a force by definition.

The global point of view is the way in which gravity is treated in quantum field theory or string theory. The local point of view is the insight due to Einstein, and it is no surprise he would emphasize it in his public remarks.

The answer is "it depends on your philosophical definition of force, whether you take a local view or a global view." I prefer the global view, since it is more quantum, so I say gravity is a force, but I don't disagree with people who take the other view, since it is also valuable.
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Jun 26 2019 07:06pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 26 2019 02:29pm)
He clearly asserts that it EXISTS. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left open to the consideration of my readers.



The slinky returns to form after the squirrel lets go. Not possible if no work is performed. Slinkies perform work and are springs.



From your source:


Newton agent that he was referring to is God, and Einstein showed that it was just a pseudo force.

The slinky is not the source of the work or force, the squirrel is. The reason it returns the force is because it has been turned into a spring by forcing it to remain bent thereby removing its precompressed helical design and changing its purpose.

and as for the GR copypasta - it all depends on whether you believe we are moving at 2,000,000 mph though an endless vacuum - say that again real slow

twooooo milliooooonn millles per hour and realize that you might be relatively stupid if you believe that.
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Jun 27 2019 02:58am
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Jun 27 2019 05:51am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 08:06pm)
Newton agent that he was referring to is God, and Einstein showed that it was just a pseudo force.

The slinky is not the source of the work or force, the squirrel is. The reason it returns the force is because it has been turned into a spring by forcing it to remain bent thereby removing its precompressed helical design and changing its purpose.

and as for the GR copypasta - it all depends on whether you believe we are moving at 2,000,000 mph though an endless vacuum - say that again real slow

twooooo milliooooonn millles per hour and realize that you might be relatively stupid if you believe that.


The agent Newton was referring to was whatever caused his observance of gravity. God might be YOUR interpretation, but Newton clearly did not. Einstein didn't deny gravity, he called into question, on a philosophical level, whether gravity should properly be called a force or not. That it behaves like a force is still undeniable.

Lol, you just admitted a slinky is a spring.

GR copypasta reply: appeal to incredulity. You do that a lot.
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Jun 27 2019 06:03am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 05:45pm)
sorry that's not the slinky doing "work" -its just sitting there doing nothing - is a barb wire fence a spring too?


the slinky does nothing?

i guess when you're putting in this little effort it's clear you're not even watching the links.

so all things that have a mechanical purpose = springs?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 27 2019 06:04am
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Jun 27 2019 06:23am
I find it fascinating that a slinky broke someone’s mind.
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Jun 27 2019 12:05pm
Quote (remco6 @ Jun 27 2019 06:23am)
I find it fascinating that a slinky broke someone’s mind.


its the best proof yet that card will quadrouple down on anything that he fears is a trap.

in reality a slinky in the video he posted neither proves nor disproves either gravity or his theory of density. its just all inner tension in the spring.

but card feels that if he admits this it's a trap, so he doubles down into increasingly worse stances. until we end up where we are at in this thread, slinkys aren't springs because they dont have a mechanical purpsoe even though i posted one but it doesnt count because it "just sits there" until the squirrel touches it at which time it mechanically rejects the squirrel, but nasa was linked to a source that Card posted so "we need NASA to tell us a slinky is a spring". even though we use our eyes to see it simply, aka the method they use to argue flat earth, but like totally different for "reasons.

all because he mistakenly thought a slinky disproved gravity when u drop it. then got roasted for a NASA source, that he posted on accident because he didnt read it carefully.
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