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Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 25 2019 10:28pm)
Pressurized Soda can inside a vacuum

https://youtu.be/bSZMNu4PWf8



Yea , not sure what you think this proves. The pressure inside the can is higher than outside in a vacuum, the differential is greater than the strength of the can so it explodes. In the case of the tanker from before your suspension the pressure outside of the vessel ( atmospheric) is greater than inside, the differential is greater than the strength of the vessel so it collapses. Pretty simple stuff.
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Jun 26 2019 03:01pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 25 2019 10:33pm)
We can add independent variable to terms you dont understand


Time has also been described as a subjective measurement that is also a social construction, which means that individuals do not sense time passing unless they measure it using an external device. The independent variable is the one the experimenter controls, please explain how you control time - are you a time Master?

Quote (Santara @ Jun 26 2019 01:35am)
Temporal? Time? What does time have to do with my post? Have we gone from discussing kilograms of air per cubic meter to discussing kilograms of air per cubic meter per hour? What does that even mean, Mr "L2Science?"

Regarding thermodynamics, we aren't discussing heat transfer. We are discussing matter transfer, as in molecules of air (N, O, CO2, etc) being held/captured by Earth's gravity vs the molecules that sometimes get away.


9.8M/s^2 is a expression of a linear temporal relationship that exist according to the relative density of the medium an object exist in, it is not a proof a magic force exists.
The First Law of Thermodynamics tells us about conservation of energy among processes, while the Second Law of Thermodynamics talks about the directionality of the processes, that is, from lower to higher entropy - so vacuums (like Space) surrounding a pressured air system(like Earth) without a container violates all know entropy and thus the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 26 2019 03:30am)
no one paid for any study, you just made that up.

someone spent a day designing a website.

you just made up the NASA connection, then and now. Iso a link plz. link me the study that was paid for. plz.

i said a slinky was a spring, you said it wasn't. you posted a source, it said it was, then you said it was NASA's fault, when NASA wasn't even involved. now you're claiming they spent money on a disinformation study. so iso a link plz.


No it was a Cornell University Study that was paid for by NASA and the Smithsonian, it was just in the small print and you missed that fact - probably because you immediately reacted with pure emotion. I dont know if i screenshot the page or just provided the Link - they might have changed that since it was like 3 years ago, they like to scrub incriminating data.
IDK. Link up that thread

Quote (remco6 @ Jun 26 2019 04:59am)
Yea , not sure what you think this proves. The pressure inside the can is higher than outside in a vacuum, the differential is greater than the strength of the can so it explodes. In the case of the tanker from before your suspension the pressure outside of the vessel ( atmospheric) is greater than inside, the differential is greater than the strength of the vessel so it collapses. Pretty simple stuff.


it proves that pressure needs a container and if that container is not strong enough - all the pressure escapes in an instant, not slowly as NASA suggested when they announced they found a hole on the ISS. Whether you describe that pressure as being sucked up by the vacuum or a vectored force dispersong into it, is merely a rhetorical argument and a distraction
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Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 03:01pm)
No it was a Cornell University Study that was paid for by NASA and the Smithsonian, it was just in the small print and you missed that fact - probably because you immediately reacted with pure emotion. I dont know if i screenshot the page or just provided the Link - they might have changed that since it was like 3 years ago, they like to scrub incriminating data.
IDK. Link up that thread


there was no "study". nothing was "funded".

it was a wiki like page listing the types of springs. these type of wiki like pages exist all over the internet, hundreds of iterations. in many of them torsion springs have a slinky used as an example.

You, not me, not anyone else, linked the Cornell page. you did. all by yourself. no one else. and you missed that it said a torsion spring is a slinky.

but if i linked 100 of those such pages with zero link to NASA, even in the fine print, would you admit a slinky is a spring? and would you further understand that it's contraction as it's dropped is do to internal tension? and not density nor gravity?

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Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 26 2019 11:05am)
there was no "study". nothing was "funded".

it was a wiki like page listing the types of springs. these type of wiki like pages exist all over the internet, hundreds of iterations. in many of them torsion springs have a slinky used as an example.

You, not me, not anyone else, linked the Cornell page. you did. all by yourself. no one else. and you missed that it said a torsion spring is a slinky.

but if i linked 100 of those such pages with zero link to NASA, even in the fine print, would you admit a slinky is a spring? and would you further understand that it's contraction as it's dropped is do to internal tension? and not density nor gravity?


thanks for proving you have a bad memory and just need to make up shit
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Jun 26 2019 03:37pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 03:35pm)
thanks for proving you have a bad memory and just need to make up shit


so you went straight from "post the link for me" to "you remember it wrong" with no link. cool.

first you name call me out of a year old instinct, then you ignore my basic questions.

some tigers cant change their stripes i suppose.

let's try it again, is a slinky a type of spring?
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Jun 26 2019 03:47pm
post the screenshot of you dare https://imgur.com/BlZ4u9E

and of course a slinky is not a spring - it serves no mechanical purpose

I don't need NASA to tell me what to think you Parrot - baaaaaaaa!
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Jun 26 2019 03:55pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 26 2019 01:35am)
9.8m/s^2 proves Universal Gravitation cause Newton said so...derp


It is inconceivable, that inanimate brute matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon and affect other matter without mutual contact … That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance, through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it. - Sir Isaac Newton

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Jun 26 2019 04:02pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 03:47pm)
post the screenshot of you dare https://imgur.com/BlZ4u9E

and of course a slinky is not a spring - it serves no mechanical purpose

I don't need NASA to tell me what to think you Parrot - baaaaaaaa!


as you can see here the internal tension mechanically helps operate the machine.



there are many examples.

you could also replace the piston in a screen door with a mini slinky and it would close the door.

many examples of a mechanical use of a slinky, just as there are many examples of uses for all torsion springs.

i asked you for a link, your response is just to ask me to post it if i dare? :huh:

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Jun 26 2019 04:14pm
as the "slinky machine's" run predominately on electric motors or pneumatics that perhaps wasnt the best example, here's another:



the slinky's mechanical ability to lower the squirrel trying to climb it to the ground then return to the resting position makes it so effective.
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Jun 26 2019 04:22pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 26 2019 04:01pm)
9.8M/s^2 is a expression of a linear temporal relationship that exist according to the relative density of the medium an object exist in, it is not a proof a magic force exists.
The First Law of Thermodynamics tells us about conservation of energy among processes, while the Second Law of Thermodynamics talks about the directionality of the processes, that is, from lower to higher entropy - so vacuums (like Space) surrounding a pressured air system(like Earth) without a container violates all know entropy and thus the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.


Lol, I love it when you get all sciency. I had to be reminded that you use science terms while having no idea what they mean or how they're relevant to the discussion.

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PHYSICS a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.


The air isn't performing work.
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