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Jun 16 2019 09:09pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 17 2019 04:04am)
easy . Well first off - like everyone, when they hear about Flat Earth - they think they can debunk it.
So they try to debate it and slowly they realize they have no actual proof we live on a spinning ball, cartoons just don't work as good as they use to.
So then they resort to option #2, call anyone how doesnt believe the consensus state relegion retarded and crazy and if they say anything back - cry to mods or youtube/facebook police and get the person banned.
This is what us happening on youtube now, you're going to see more book burning . banning and silencing of dissenting opinions.
Welcome to your Dystopian Future and the Land of Thought Police.


Sorry bud I only read first paragraph of your post now I read all and stopped at 'Nasa images are not real'.

I take everything I said back. Had no idea it was a conspiracy post.

You really think everything was fake? There would be waaaay too many people in on it. That reason alone is enough reason.
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Jun 16 2019 11:02pm
Quote (Lasagnacat @ Jun 16 2019 09:09pm)
Sorry bud I only read first paragraph of your post now I read all and stopped at 'Nasa images are not real'.

I take everything I said back. Had no idea it was a conspiracy post.

You really think everything was fake? There would be waaaay too many people in on it. That reason alone is enough reason.


all Pilots on the planet are lying to everyone about...

the routes they are flying
the altitude they are flying
the speed they are flying
the amount of fuel they are using
the amount of weight on the aircraft they are piloting
and every pilot is a secret member of NASA



this is what card believes... your welcome i just saved you 30 posts of arguing
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Jun 16 2019 11:22pm
Quote (caswallen @ Jun 17 2019 06:02am)
all Pilots on the planet are lying to everyone about...

the routes they are flying
the altitude they are flying
the speed they are flying
the amount of fuel they are using
the amount of weight on the aircraft they are piloting
and every pilot is a secret member of NASA



this is what card believes... your welcome i just saved you 30 posts of arguing


Yeah no wonder he got 50%
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Jun 17 2019 02:06am
Quote (Lasagnacat @ Jun 17 2019 07:22am)
Yeah no wonder he got 50%


Thing is you can believe whatever you want, but if you want others to accept it as fact you need to back it up

In Card's case when he fails to prove his fantasies using only YT and image hosting sites he goes on an amusing cussing parade :bonk: :lol: :rolleyes:

Lastly (In his own words) he doesn't care about warns and I quote: "warnings make you a warrior" or that he's willing to be a martyr for his beliefs
So some of us just prod his bs theories by questioning or asking him for proof to "help him along" :D

(You'll never convince him and Chivas)

This post was edited by kai_jph on Jun 17 2019 02:13am
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Jun 17 2019 08:24am
Quote (kai_jph @ Jun 17 2019 09:06am)
Thing is you can believe whatever you want, but if you want others to accept it as fact you need to back it up

In Card's case when he fails to prove his fantasies using only YT and image hosting sites he goes on an amusing cussing parade :bonk: :lol: :rolleyes:

Lastly (In his own words) he doesn't care about warns and I quote: "warnings make you a warrior" or that he's willing to be a martyr for his beliefs
So some of us just prod his bs theories by questioning or asking him for proof to "help him along" :D

(You'll never convince him and Chivas)


It's the other way around. The burden of proof is on the person who claims something.
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Jun 17 2019 09:49am
Quote (Lasagnacat @ Jun 17 2019 09:24am)
It's the other way around. The burden of proof is on the person who claims something.


That's okay, we can prove the Earth is shaped like a ball.
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Jun 17 2019 10:40am
Quote (Lasagnacat @ Jun 17 2019 04:24pm)
It's the other way around. The burden of proof is on the person who claims something.



Pretty much what I meant.
He claims the earth is flat along with all the laws and theories supposed to support it and expects us to accept it
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Jun 17 2019 10:57am
Quote (kai_jph @ Jun 17 2019 05:40pm)
Pretty much what I meant.
He claims the earth is flat along with all the laws and theories supposed to support it and expects us to accept it


Shifting of the Burden of Proof

onus probandi

(also known as: burden of proof [general concept], burden of proof fallacy, misplaced burden of proof, shifting the burden of proof)

Description: Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim. The burden of proof is a legal and philosophical concept with differences in each domain. In everyday debate, the burden of proof typically lies with the person making the claim, but it can also lie with the person denying a well-established fact or theory. Like other non-black and white issues, there are instances where this is clearly fallacious, and those which are not as clear.
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Jun 17 2019 11:20am
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Shifting of the Burden of Proof

onus probandi

(also known as: burden of proof [general concept], burden of proof fallacy, misplaced burden of proof, shifting the burden of proof)

Description: Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim. The burden of proof is a legal and philosophical concept with differences in each domain. In everyday debate, the burden of proof typically lies with the person making the claim, but it can also lie with the person denying a well-established fact or theory. Like other non-black and white issues, there are instances where this is clearly fallacious, and those which are not as clear.


Pretty much where Card Fails

Take this for example

Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 16 2019 07:54am)
your mistaking ground pererstive for stellar perspective - they do not work the same

does an airplane at 30,000 feet change size as it cross the sky - it does not


I provided a vid proving the opposite. Card has avoided providing a vid to support it

Many other examples

This post was edited by kai_jph on Jun 17 2019 11:26am
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Jun 17 2019 12:07pm
Quote (kai_jph @ Jun 17 2019 06:20pm)
Pretty much where Card Fails

Take this for example



I provided a vid proving the opposite. Card has avoided providing a vid to support it

Many other examples



Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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