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Jan 14 2017 02:49am
Quote (card_sultan @ Jan 14 2017 04:02am)
If it was a .00001 slope but i think your wrong and you provided no math for that assumption

I know this is the math for the curved slope on ball earth

https://s32.postimg.org/mofd3p5px/Curvature_Chart_By_Dr_Zack.png

but you think the Horizon is actually above you're elevation like in this 2 d side perspective right?

that water flows up hill and if the ball earth was frozen solid we always be skating up an ever so slight incline regardless off direction

http://i68.tinypic.com/20uae0k.jpg

So if the world was frozen and you were standing at the H0 position and someone else was standing at your horizon, would they be skating downhill while you skated up hill?


You would be right if your understanding of the word 'incline' was correct. It is not, and therefore your argument is void.
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Jan 14 2017 03:02am
Quote (card_sultan @ 14 Jan 2017 00:45)
Actually no Flat Earther that i know would say something so silly, you've just assumed how they think with your thoughts, so then thinking you can debunk it.

Classic sirawmanning although without the trolling, points for that then.


i have seen hours of flat earth videos. and if it comes to the sun circling over the world, it's always the same model the people refer to.
and this model is disproved by what leevee said or what i tried to point out here:

assume the world is flat and the sun is like 5000km above the world, circling around.
if the sun straight over you, it's certainly a 90 degree angle.
if the sun is very far away, like the on the other side of the world, it should be a 15-20 degree angle.
in every situation in every day, the angle would always be between such numbers, 15 - 90 degree.
but i am pretty sure that everyone has seen the sun in lower angles to the world. when the sun goes down it is at like 2 or 3 degree and then "goes away" or "goes under". no matter in which of those cases you believe, it's not possible to achieve a 3 degree angle in a flat world. therefore the assumption is disproved.
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Jan 14 2017 03:24am
Quote (fernsehen123 @ Jan 14 2017 06:32pm)
i have seen hours of flat earth videos. and if it comes to the sun circling over the world, it's always the same model the people refer to.
and this model is disproved by what leevee said or what i tried to point out here:

assume the world is flat and the sun is like 5000km above the world, circling around.
if the sun straight over you, it's certainly a 90 degree angle.
if the sun is very far away, like the on the other side of the world, it should be a 15-20 degree angle.
in every situation in every day, the angle would always be between such numbers, 15 - 90 degree.
but i am pretty sure that everyone has seen the sun in lower angles to the world. when the sun goes down it is at like 2 or 3 degree and then "goes away" or "goes under". no matter in which of those cases you believe, it's not possible to achieve a 3 degree angle in a flat world. therefore the assumption is disproved.


then you should know well, after watching hours of FE videos, that it shows you quite clearly that it is dark on the opposite side of FE.
The sun is quite small, as shown numerous times in those models, and the (sun) light has a limited radius, as light does not shine in an infinite direction.
you need to learn about perspective view, there is numerous videos explaining this also.
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Jan 14 2017 04:18am
you have different arguments now.
i only want to talk about this specific topic:

Quote (ChivasRegal @ 14 Jan 2017 10:24)
you need to learn about perspective view, there is numerous videos explaining this also.


if that's all you have to say about my argument, than we can close this conversation.
i know that there are videos out, trying to explain it. but i think they are all wrong.
that is why i post this stuff here. i want to explain my point, and i did this in my previous post.

This post was edited by fernsehen123 on Jan 14 2017 04:20am
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Quote (fernsehen123 @ Jan 14 2017 07:48pm)
you have different arguments now.
i only want to talk about this specific topic:



if that's all you have to say about my argument, than we can close this conversation.
i know that there are videos out, trying to explain it. but i think they are all wrong.
that is why i post this stuff here. i want to explain my point, and i did this in my previous post.


what argument?
you are saying that you don't understand perspective view.......so because you can't understand it, that makes it wrong?
strong argument indeed...
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Jan 14 2017 05:55am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ 14 Jan 2017 12:19)
what argument?
you are saying that you don't understand perspective view.......so because you can't understand it, that makes it wrong?
strong argument indeed...


the argument about the angle (alpha here):



what i said is that alpha will never drop under 15° in a flat world
but i have seen it in lower already
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Jan 14 2017 06:11am
Quote (fernsehen123 @ Jan 14 2017 09:25pm)
the argument about the angle (alpha here):

https://abload.de/img/alphagiq3b.png

what i said is that alpha will never drop under 15° in a flat world
but i have seen it in lower already


you have seen the sun disappear from your visual range, but it is still in the sky, thousands of miles away on the other side of the flat stationary earth
this is where the issue of perspective view comes into play, and you not understanding how it works
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Jan 14 2017 06:13am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ 14 Jan 2017 13:11)
you have seen the sun disappear from your visual range, but it is still in the sky, thousands of miles away on the other side of the flat stationary earth
this is where the issue of perspective view comes into play, and you not understanding how it works


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Jan 14 2017 06:45am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ 14 Jan 2017 13:11)
you have seen the sun disappear from your visual range, but it is still in the sky, thousands of miles away on the other side of the flat stationary earth
this is where the issue of perspective view comes into play, and you not understanding how it works


what's wrong with my painting?
just before the sun "goes away" or "goes under", i can see it somewhere near the horizont or how one would call it.
if you use my painting now, you can guess that the angle is about 3° or sth, it's a very small value.
in a flat world this would not be possible.

i suppose that you do not understand perspective
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Jan 14 2017 06:47am
Quote (fernsehen123 @ Jan 14 2017 02:45pm)
what's wrong with my painting?
just before the sun "goes away" or "goes under", i can see it somewhere near the horizont or how one would call it.
if you use my painting now, you can guess that the angle is about 3° or sth, it's a very small value.
in a flat world this would not be possible.

i suppose that you do not understand perspective


Nothing's wrong with the painting. He's just pretending your question was a different question, so that he can then say that the question is wrong and that you do not understand perspectives.

Classic dodge. In truth, ChivasRegal is not able to answer your question because the answer would reveal a flaw in his narrative.

This post was edited by Leevee on Jan 14 2017 06:47am
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