Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 14 2018 02:18am)

[QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 11:59pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 14 2018 01:52am][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 11:35pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 14 2018 01:17am][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 11:09pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 14 2018 01:07am][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 10:51pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 14 2018 12:44am][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 10:39pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 13 2018 11:58pm][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 09:13pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 13 2018 10:40pm][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 08:35pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 13 2018 10:31pm][QUOTE=SicKid,Jun 13 2018 08:25pm][QUOTE=Thor123422,Jun 13 2018 10:21pm][QUOTE=SicKid]I'm not sure where you are going with this but there are always variables given certain circumstances, Perspective plays a huge role in whatever you are visualizing.
Im not trying to argue or say you are wrong but just get to your point you have that debunks FE or proves the globe or vice versa[/QUOTE]

If I'm going to make an argument I have to make sure you have the requisite knowledge to understand it.

If the light is traveling through a medium that is fairly uniform, the light will travel in a straight line.

If something gets closer it appears larger because it's angular size increases.

If you have contention with these two facts then there's really nowhere we can go in a conversation about whether or not the Earth is flat, so I'm just making sure I'm not wasting my time.

Kind of like if I wanted to talk to a physicist about how the Kidney works. He may know a lot about his field, but unless he knows some information about physiology there's no point in trying to have an in-depth conversation.[/QUOTE]

I understand yes, and i would to the best of my knowledge agree with those statements
Light bounces off every surface it can find and slowly fades[/QUOTE]

Good. You've gotten further in this conversation than either Card or Chivas has ^_^

So, by consequence of those two facts, if the Sun was over a completely flat Earth, it would have to go very very very far away to appear to go over the horizon. Similarly to the picture below.

https://i.imgur.com/BanjEFQ.png[/QUOTE]
I suppose so, but what if the sun were much smaller and closer? Then it would have to travel less distance to dissapear[/QUOTE]

You're right. It depends on the height of the sun, and the size of the sun.

But, we have a problem. If the sun was close we would see its size rapidly decrease as it moves further away, and we would see it get much bigger as it was closer. So the sun should be much larger at Noon than at Dusk.[/QUOTE]

Well lets say we reduce everything we know by 93, instead of 93 million miles away its 1 mil miles away and instead of 432k miles lin diameter it's 4.600 miles
This is still HUGE would it really get much smaller?[/QUOTE]

If it's one million miles away it wouldn't get much smaller, but that's still quite large and far away. We have another problem though, if the sun is 1 million miles above the Earth you would either never have a night time, or everybody would have a night time at the exact same time!

If you started with the sun a million miles above you at noon and put it a million miles away in one direction (North, South, East, West) it would still be 45 degrees above the ground!

To calculate we use some trigonometry. Let's assume that to go below the horizon means the sun would need to go below a certain angle above the ground. Below are the distances it would need to travel in order to go that low, if the sun was a million miles above you.

45 degrees = 1 million miles
25 degrees = 2.75 million miles
10 degrees = 5.7 million miles

So if the sun has to travel 2.75 million miles away just to get to 25 degrees above the ground, pretty much everybody on Earth should be seeing the same sun, since there's not much difference between having a sun 2.75 million and 2.80 million miles away, or even 1 million miles versus 1.1 million miles![/QUOTE]

I don't understand why you would think there would be no night and day and wouldn't everyone being seeing the same sun anyway there is only one
Are you speaking on a heliocentric basis?[/QUOTE]

If the earth was flat then if it was night in one place its night everywhere. Thats not what happens in real life where its night for me but day in china or Australia.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why you would assume that just because if it's shape it would change how far light travels. Or your subconsciously scaling down the size of earth
https://i.imgur.com/eyuUVdc.gif[/QUOTE]

If that picture was accurate I would see the sun get dimmer but NEVER go over the horizon.[/QUOTE]

does a light bulb outside a building light up the building across the street?[/QUOTE]

You ignored the most important part, the sun would never go below the horizon even if the intensity dimmed enough due to distance that you couldnt see it anymore.[/QUOTE]

It's all due to our perspective, we can't see that far with the human eye[/QUOTE]

If light travels in a straight line, which you already agreed is the case, then under that model of the flat Earth we would never see the Sun go below the horizon.

Us not being able to see the sun wouldn't make it go below the horizon, only the sun physically lowering below the horizon would do that since the light leaving the sun travels in a straight line.[/QUOTE]

well this is where we agree to disagree, we have a field of view, once anything leaves that point it gets so small it seems it vanishes[/QUOTE]

Vanishes, not falls below the horizon. You are violating what you agreed to at the beginning, that light travels in a straight line (this was the exact reason I asked that question by the way). If you can't see that, then I guess this is where it ends, but just know it's not because of some ambiguity. You are expressly holding two contradictory views.