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Quote (fernsehen123 @ Jan 13 2017 05:27pm)
good point. i have the same opinion on flat earth just like you.
there are some good points out there and one could believe the world was flat.
BUT this argument is just the best & clearest for me. there is no doubt for me that there is anything wrong with this argumentation.
i'm gonna explain it in a slightly different way:

assume the world is flat and the sun is like 5000km above the world, circling around.
try to imagine a small world like that infront of yourself on a table, and try to think of the angle of you, staying on the world, and the sun in 5000km height.
if the sun straight over you, it's certainly a 90 degree angle.
if the sun is very far away, like the on the other side of the world, it should be a 15-20 degree angle.
in every situation in every day, the angle would always be between such numbers, 15 - 90 degree.
but i am pretty sure that everyone has seen the sun in lower angles to the world. when the sun goes down it is at like 2 or 3 degree and then "goes away" or "goes under". no matter in which of those cases you believe, it's not possible to achieve a 3 degree angle in a flat world. therefore the assumption is disproved.


Which assumption is disproved exactly?
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Quote (card_sultan @ Jan 13 2017 03:56am)
The answer is Width Height and Depth, but x, y , z will do - z being depth which is the most important axis when referring to actual perspective.

Now look at that picture - you see the z axis, see how the railroad tracks appear to converge - but of course the dont - they are completely parallel.

But know also notice how they appear to get higher - so notice how the further away they are - the higher they get

again you know thats not true right? that are completely flat, they dont actually get higher - they appear to get higher due to perspective.

Now see the point they join up higher than the bottom - at the horizon right?

Now is that the real horizon or the horizon you think is real but is only there due to perspective?


Card, do you actually understand how perspective works? In a physical sense? Yeah, tracks appear to converge and appear to rise up to eye level. But why? The problem here is that you see a phenomenon and you make faulty assumptions based on your observations, simply because you don't actually understand the phenomenon itself.
We lose resolution at greater distances, so things appear closer and closer together. However, they will ALWAYS maintain their relative position to each other. In other words, the left train track will never appear to cross over the right track. And objects that are above will never appear under the objects that are below. Perspective view cannot make the sun partially sink into the ground, it is optically impossible. There can be no horizon on a flat earth, it defies geometry. If you have an unobstructed line of sight to an object, you will always see it. It may be too small for your eyes to resolve the detail, but it will still be in your field of view.

Light travels in straight lines, so the geometry of optics for a problem like this is very, very simple. If you set up your model and you can draw a straight line from your eye to the potion of the sun that you can't see (the part that's below the ground), then you should be able to see it and your model is wrong.

Another way to convince yourself is binoculars. If you look at your converging tracks through binoculars, you will see them in greater resolution and see that they are still parallel. However, the sun will still be just as "setting", with the exact same percentage of the sun below the ground. If half of the sun has set, no optics no matter how powerful will allow you to see the half that's disappeared. Of course this isn't a good idea to experiment on with the sun (since you'll damage your eyes), but can be easily verified with a setting (or rising) moon. Even a telescope that will allow you to visually explore the moon like you are standing on its surface still won't be able to show you the portion of it that you can't see with your naked eye. Clearly 'perspective' has nothing to do with this.
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Quote (Leevee @ Jan 13 2017 01:34am)
I do not see why you'd already assume that I misunderstand your post before you've posted it.

You can simply post the answer from beginning to end, and I'll let you know if I understand it or not.


If your're incapable of understanding and answering the basics of perspective, Why would you think your intellectually honest enough to understand an entire reasoning?

You must first walk before you run you're still crawling.

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Quote (russian @ Jan 13 2017 06:51am)
We lose resolution at greater distances, so things appear closer and closer together. However, they will ALWAYS maintain their relative position to each other. In other words, the left train track will never appear to cross over the right track. And objects that are above will never appear under the objects that are below. Perspective view cannot make the sun partially sink into the ground, it is optically impossible. There can be no horizon on a flat earth, it defies geometry. If you have an unobstructed line of sight to an object, you will always see it. It may be too small for your eyes to resolve the detail, but it will still be in your field of view.

Light travels in straight lines, so the geometry of optics for a problem like this is very, very simple. If you set up your model and you can draw a straight line from your eye to the potion of the sun that you can't see (the part that's below the ground), then you should be able to see it and your model is wrong.

Another way to convince yourself is binoculars. If you look at your converging tracks through binoculars, you will see them in greater resolution and see that they are still parallel. However, the sun will still be just as "setting", with the exact same percentage of the sun below the ground. If half of the sun has set, no optics no matter how powerful will allow you to see the half that's disappeared. Of course this isn't a good idea to experiment on with the sun (since you'll damage your eyes), but can be easily verified with a setting (or rising) moon. Even a telescope that will allow you to visually explore the moon like you are standing on its surface still won't be able to show you the portion of it that you can't see with your naked eye. Clearly 'perspective' has nothing to do with this.


Unbelievably stupid beyond belief, it's kind of funny how desperate you are making conclusion that are just ridiculous while making it clear you dont understand perspective at all.
1. Lower resolution has nothing to do with parallel line appearing to converge and raise up in a depth of field 3d perspective. Way to fool yourself.
2. Of course there is a horizon , but it is your perspective horizon and it appears to rise up to your eye level - is it really up - of course not - is it the curve of the Earth, of course not.
3. Binocular do not extend your depth of field view - they just magnify (zoom in) on the x and y axis field 2 d perspective that are normally too compressed by your vision to make out.
4. When you think the sun has set, it just sky plane horizon is hidden behind your earth plane horizon because it is closer. Light does not travel for infinity and your eyes obey the laws of perspective, not your misunderstandings.

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Quote (card_sultan @ Jan 13 2017 12:02pm)
Unbelievably stupid beyond belief, it's kind of funny how desperate you are making conclusion that are just ridiculous while making it clear you dont understand perspective at all.
1. Lower resolution has nothing to do with parallel line appearing to converge and raise up in a depth of field 3d perspective. Way to fool yourself.
2. Of course there is a horizon , but it is your perspective horizon and it appears to rise up to your eye level - is it really up - of course not - is it the curve of the Earth, of course not.
3. Binocular do not extend your depth of field view - they just magnify (zoom in) on the x and y axis field 2 d perspective that are normally too compressed by your vision to make out.
4. When you think the sun has set, it just sky plane horizon is hidden behind your earth plane horizon because it is closer. Light does not travel for infinity and your eyes obey the laws of perspective, not your misunderstandings.


so if this were true, would the sun have to shrink as it approaches the horizon? if not why not? is there a model you can post that shows what you're talking about?

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