if an idiot had a lot of training, would be become competent and therefore no longer an idiot?

does training or retraining officiers and workers have a real effect on job proficiency ?

do you know of anyone who received training but remains inept?

can you comment on the current condition of the workforce as you know it?

Every person and every field of work is different. This question is in a sense too vague.

A person can be an idiot in general but can completely excel in a certain field of work. Like a guy can't tie his shoes but can know everything there is to know about computer programming.

Training can work if the person is able, but most importantly willing, to learn.

A squirrel will work hard to save seeds and nuts beneath the ground or in the openings, holes, or crevasses of trees. They will leave a scent to know where they were stored and can find these even after a lengthy Winter. What may follow this hard working squirrel is another squirrel who digs up or pulls out these seeds and nuts. Stealing them from the squirrel who worked so hard to prepare. Life is strange.




This post was edited by UAPtictac on Apr 28 2026 06:11pm

these assholes digging up my yard

Now that is an interesting topic. And i can answer it. And i'll leave the color and font off this time.

I can use myself as an example, and it's not fun, because i know it's easy to laugh at. But basically, it's about psychology. And astrology. And economics. And governmental doctrine. But i'll keep it simple and only go about psychology.


When i started working at about 14-15, at a warehouse, i was very green. After about 6 months, i could do the basic stuff, handle regular customers and pick regular goods, write up a ticket and such. But every once in a while, we got some weird happenings that i screwed up.

The reason i screwed up, was twofold: A) At home there was complete chaos. I felt like i grew up in a difficult environment, where there was little safety and not much in the way of support. And B ) One of the coworkers was a complete psycho of an asshole. I know i've written this many times before, but it's true.

One example: At one time, he would suddenly go completely crazy, force me into the inner office and tape me to the chair. A customer came towards the door, and he practically pushed the customer out of the door before he could notice me. 30 minutes later he came back and laughed, and cut me loose.

He bullied me all the time, saying super nasty things, making me nervous. He would also get physical and wrestle with me even though i told him many times i do not want to mess around like this.

When you live and work with difficult circumstances, you will not develop the confidence to deal with more complex situations. You may occasionally deal with certain complex situations, but you will not feel real confident doing it. You will not truly develop into it.


Same thing happened with my first real job as a masoner, which is the real point here. He was a psycho too, even worse than the first job i had. First year or so went okay-ish. He didn't talk too much, and was so-so, i could get along with him. Second year apprenticeship, he started getting crazier. Saying real nasty things, picking on details that i know doesn't matter (i've seen it later), and chewing me out for 15 minutes because i was 2 minutes late ONE single day in a year.

After the apprenticeship (which i passed with bonus remarks), and he increased my salary to minimum working wage (about 13$ an hour then, 2005 or so), he started getting even crazier. It was just him and me as well, meaning i had little place to turn. Also remembering, at home, there was chaos, so i had noone to turn to for support.

Now, when working in such conditions, yes, you get trained and you can do regular work quite well. I did do most of my work well. And i conducted myself well in front of people.


But there were signs that i was struggling. Sometimes i would mess up simple jobs, because i was so tired and frazzled mentally. I started getting panic attacks, didn't know it then, but super stabbing left side chest pain, requiring me to stop working for 5-10 minutes and just breathe slowly. Sometimes the pain would reside the entire rest of the day.

I will not lie either, of course i was not as fast as he was - i would not hesitate to say, he was probably one of Norway's best masoners. He was like an elite athlete. And props to him, he did the work for 5 regular workers. He had built his own brick house and was debt free by the age of 26, or so i heard.

During the 4 years i worked with him, i can remember him complimenting my work 2 times. About 5 days i remember going well, where he was nice and cooperating in manner.


Here comes the real point: After i quit there, i went 3-4 months before searching a new masoning job. This time, for a small-mid sized company with about 6-7 regular workers. When i started there, i was quite broken, a bit out of shape, and not really ready to work full time. But i pushed myself hard and wanted to make it work. I could do standard jobs, but was regularly tired.

But to the point of being an "idiot"...

(Continue in 15 minutes)

I have an example: There was a rather large wall that i was supposed to lime and sand (like with a mortar sanding board/float), at a parking house in Oslo. We were 3 guys driving in. Alright, no problem. I was put to it. The cinderblock wall behind it was rather wet, i noticed. Either way, i started at it. One guy was serving me mortar, and i noticed the mortar was slightly wet. But i thought, it's early in the day, let's get it done, so it gets more time to dry out. So i worked for 3 hours plastering the entire wall. I had done this many times before and knew it would not be a real problem.

So i did that, scraped it plumb and level as best i could, fixed the holes, and we went to break.

When we came back, surely enough, it had started to dry. So, i started carefully to sand it. The cinderblock wall behind it, as previously mentioned, was also not very level or plumb, meaning, there were areas with dips in them, meaning, some areas would have a thicker layer of mortar. I had much experience with this from before, and i know that you do not sand these parts before the very end, and then you are very careful when sanding it also. Otherwise, it starts falling off, and then you're screwed. I knew what i was doing.


However, here comes the problem. 2 hours later, i was nearing the end of it. I had noticed, certain areas were a bit wetter than i had expected. But, i know from experience, that in a parking space like this, nobody is ever going to complain, it was more than good enough for that kind of an area. Even my first boss would accept that. If it was in a residential home, i would accept it being unacceptable. I started clearing down, washing equipment and getting ready to end the day with the others.

Here the 2 other guys come, completely upset and going crazy. They say "LOOK AT THAT! YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA PASS????" and similar things, pointing to the wet areas. And then without even listening to me, they grabbed sanding floats and started sanding like crazy exactly on the wet and deep areas, resulting in the mortar quickly falling off.

Then they went insane, started chewing me out, and mixing new mortar. I had never seen anything so stupid in my entire life ^^ It even topped my first boss's exploits. At least when he did something in anger, it made sense.

I told them .. "I'm off, catching a ride with the other guys" .. (there was another shift there too, i forgot.) Because i thought it was completely ridiculous for them to piss on me for that. I heard later they had worked for FOUR DAMN HOURS fixing the holes that THEY had messed up ^^

And i'm certain they told the boss about it and all that .. and that they looked at me as an idiot for that business. But i -know- that wall would pass inspection, i would stake 1000$ on it.


So the example there is: I'm sure THEY looked at ME as being an idiot. But i -know- for a fact that it was them that were idiots. In a perfect world, i should tell them earlier in the day that we cannot lime this wall, because it is too wet. But due to the CIRCUMSTANCES, and my experience with the ridiculously rushy and closed environment of the company, i would most likely not get any hearsay in the matter. They would just tell (or shout) me to "fucking get on with it" or something similar.


So that is a perfect example. When you are in a circumstance where idiots run the business - there is no way you can come out of it looking like a winner. And due to the circumstances of your external life - there may be very little you an do about it anyway.

I have many more examples as well.

(Finishing post in 15 minutes)

ok Taurean go for it bro

Worry not, training in ladder slasher does equal proficiency.

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