And the website telling Dave to repay $2,100 worth of FG without any actual proof that he was botting isn't pretty silly? Botting bans pmuch never result in the 'scammer' having to repay the value of the account, since the value of the account isn't easy to determine and there's no actual evidence of botting aside from in a few very specific cases. Weath confirmed that the account had botted on the day of the ban, but not which IP had botted on the account. Hugger still had access to the account, isn't it possible that he was botting his own account? Don't you think it's possible Weath would say 'Yes, you were botting while you were banned for botting.' to get someone off his dick who messaged him 50+ times on Twitter? And why should that Tweet be taken as gold by the d2jsp staff?

Also the value of the CWs armor was an undisclosed liability to Dave. Hugger never explained to Dave before he took the job that there was a set of armor worth 2,250,000,000 Gold that Dave would be liable for if anything happened. Do you think Dave would trust Hugger with the 2.25B set of armor? I mean if Dave's liable for it, fuck. Imagine you order a pizza, and don't tell the pizza delivery guy that your driveway is actually a ultrarealistic bedsheet laid over a billion dollars of fine china. Fucker drives into your driveway, falls in, crushes it. Bam, $1B repay?


So. The account was banned, there's absolutely no proof that it was Dave that botted it. It looks like it was a manual ban that happened while a JMod was looking through NMZ for botters. And there was a 2B set of armor that Dave wasn't told that he'd be responsible for, if anything happened. The gold that was lost - the shit that Hugger could bring into the trading section and turn into FG if he wanted to - I agree Dave is liable for. All 20K FG worth of it. Not 67K.

This post was edited by The_Carlton on Aug 15 2016 05:54am

Dave did a job for me two years ago would go with the theory the kid botted on his own account he told in the twitter post his account was stolen..okay then they would of said the theif botted in the response and not you botted.

http://crystalmathlabs.com/tracker/track.php?player=hugger&time=90d

Also XP graphs from when Hugger was banned,

6/10: 221,942,140
6/15: 227,307,620
6/20: 233,105,556
6/26: 242,541,670

+5,365,480 in the first 5 day bracket (4,026,624 def, 4 def/1.33hp:1dmg)
+5,797,936 in the second 5 day bracket (4,348,452 def)
+9,436,115 in the last 6 day bracket (7,077,086 def)

~100K/hour

40 hours, 8/day
43 hours, 8.6/day
70 hours, 11.6/day



Compared to graphs from Dave's account,

http://crystalmathlabs.com/tracker/track.php?player=nightmare&time=90d

6/09: 800,859,082
6/14: 806,343,271 +5.48M
6/19: 811,616,895 +5.27M
6/25: 818,701,385 +7.08M

It has the exact same spike in XP. (XP update times aren't the exact same so Huggers may be 130 hours vs 110 hours, but the general trend is the same)

After the 19th is when Dave was very close to 200M defence on his main, which explains the spike pretty well. I did the exact same when I hit 200M attack, played a solid 16-20 hours the last few days.


Gee, it's like Dave is unemployed and sleeps 8-12 hours a day while playing RS with the rest of the day......

Also he's done fucking over 2B XP and never gotten anyone banned. Some pretty fucking amazing bot he's got.

This post was edited by The_Carlton on Aug 15 2016 06:18am

That's fucked up the numbers don't lie.

There we go again, the old Dave discussion.

Let's make this very simple. Dave did a leveling job, agreed not to get the account banned, the account was banned, Mod Weath confirmed botting at the time of the ban (which was when Dave was training), multiple other accounts of Dave were banned at the same time -also for botting- (confirmed by Dave himself). How hard is this to understand?

Also, Huggers account was worth way much more than 500M (check prices at the black market sale. It could easily be sold for 750M+), so Dave should actually be lucky that Hugger only requested a repayment of 500M.

Period.

PS. That doesn't change my mind about Dave, I've used him by myself for a level job which he finished perfectly. Never though this would happen. Disappointing...

This post was edited by Hiawatha on Aug 15 2016 06:45am

#1 - Weath probably said the account was botting to get Hugger off of his dick, the kid sent him 50+ fucking Tweets. He also never confirmed if it was Dave or Hugger botting, both of them had access to the account.
#2 - Dave wasn't made aware that he'd be on the line for 2.2B GP worth of castle wars armor if the account got banned.
#3 - The account wasn't worth 500M, you're full of shit. 99/99/99 goes for ~100M, he was that with 94 Prayer/ 90Herblore? 500M is a joke, let alone 750.. 750 is hilarious. Yes, people ask $750 for their shitty accounts. They don't sell.
#4 - Why is Dave liable for the entire value of the account? Compensation, not full repay here. They both knew it was against the ingame rules.
#5 - NMZ is 20 clicks per 20 minutes. Bud over here, who I've screenshared with plenty and has never once admitted to botting in the years I've known him, wouldn't bot that shit. And if he was botting, 8-11 hours a day? Really? Who the fuck is too lazy to not do NMZ while they're sitting there anyways, have a monitor dedicated to it etc
#6 - The account was worth 100M + 150M? In stats + 150M in gold. 500M repay?

And ofc, bot busting bans are never wrong.

Alrighty, lets point a few things out

- Mod Weath is never wrong when he's checked bans.
- You really should relearn the market value of accounts
- #4: Dave agreed by himself. Nobody forced him to agree to the terms.

And let's make a quick calculation according to your pricing

— Let's say the account value is 100M + 150M gold (which makes 250M total) as you stated in #6.
— Let's take the 2.2B value of the CW armor as you've stated in #2.

According to your pricing, the account would have a value of 2450M. You're talking about "compensation, not full repay".
Isn't 500M out of 2450M something you would call a (very bad) compensation?


The fact that you know Dave for years doesn't make he couldn't let even you down. I understand you're frustrated about this though

He told the JaJagex guy that his account was hijacked. The mod would of said in the reply it was the thief botting and not hI'm.

When ever people makes a thread crying about being banned for botting 'when they dident bot', everyone is always like; "OFC you dident" " no bot no ban" etc. When someone gets confirmed by a jmod that they botted, everyone is like; thats no proof, OFC he dident blot. I dont get it?

Remember when you were a kid and you'd bug your Mom for shit for a month or two, then after you asked 50 times she'd say fuck it and give you the answer you were looking for? Pretty sure that's what Weath did. Also there would be next to no compensation for this if Weath hadn't done that, since you can't prove botting. Weath telling Hugger to fuck off on Twitter is the only reason Dave owes him anything other than the 150M that was on the account. Doesn't that also set a pretty bad precedent? When banned through a JSP service, go on Twitter and complain to Weath as much as you can, then you get paid more? Not something that's good for the longevity of JSP.



Add 90 Prayer/Herblore, you've got the same account. He had fuckall for stats.

Dave agreed to compensate, not pay for everything Hugger could pull out of his ass.

We have to understand that you can't value the account at 500M, then slam on 2B for the CW armor, chop 80% off and call her a fair repay. He spent 40 hours on the armor, not 1,000. Eliminates that 2B cushion, instead we're looking at 100% compensation instead of 20%.



The point of SA is to facilitate a repay, not only hear one side of the story then set an absurd repay amount on one guy because the other said it's worth that much. SA helpers failed one of the most trusted/active members of our community, it shouldn't just be me that's frustrated.

This post was edited by The_Carlton on Aug 15 2016 07:27am