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Dec 6 2022 05:40pm
Quote (ChaysingSkye @ Dec 6 2022 06:38pm)
You're clearly better at pvm then me. I can't clear even entry level


Can teach you toa some time if you want. Once u understand what each room does, it's simple
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Dec 6 2022 06:04pm
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Can teach you toa some time if you want. Once u understand what each room does, it's simple


That's kind of you. Some CC members have tried but I don't use VC so it's pretty hard to teach me new tricks
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Entry level toa is a complete joke. I left my overheads off the whole raid and didn't run out of supplies.


To be fair, Vorkath is a complete joke too lol.
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Dec 7 2022 05:24am
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That's kind of you. Some CC members have tried but I don't use VC so it's pretty hard to teach me new tricks


it's almost 2023 get a headset :huh:
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Dec 7 2022 05:31am
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it's almost 2023 get a headset :huh:


I have a headset, but I have a wife and kids too. I only play on PC when the kids are sleeping and anytime I've tried to do VC, no one can hear me. So I typically can hear them but have to type in game.
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but I have a wife and kids too..


i found the problem!!
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i found the problem!!


You aren't wrong at all. They do make it difficult to learn pvm due to lack of time to get reps in. They're worth it though!
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Dec 7 2022 09:14pm
Quote (ExiledWhipz @ 7 Dec 2022 02:40)
Can teach you toa some time if you want. Once u understand what each room does, it's simple


yeah that's the problem, and getting to actually learn it is what keeps people like me out of xeric/tombs/theatre, there's no tutorial, you're constnatly attacked, huge penalties, big gp cost, harsh penalty like instant death and back to start, needing a team and who wants to waste their time teaching? And they don't scale to player levels or party size. And it feels like it's mandatory to have 1 bil insanely overpowered gear... "but you don't need it" you can say that while I look at the torva guy with vitur and inferno cape dying. If he dies, I wouldn't even waste my time and money trying. - that's how it feels and that's why most people don't bother touching them.

Compare this to something as simple as giant's foundry.

Dungeoneering is vastly better than xeric/tombs/theatre. Baffling how jagex made so many mistakes.
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yeah that's the problem, and getting to actually learn it is what keeps people like me out of xeric/tombs/theatre, there's no tutorial, you're constnatly attacked, huge penalties, big gp cost, harsh penalty like instant death and back to start, needing a team and who wants to waste their time teaching? And they don't scale to player levels or party size. And it feels like it's mandatory to have 1 bil insanely overpowered gear... "but you don't need it" you can say that while I look at the torva guy with vitur and inferno cape dying. If he dies, I wouldn't even waste my time and money trying. - that's how it feels and that's why most people don't bother touching them.

Compare this to something as simple as giant's foundry.

Dungeoneering is vastly better than xeric/tombs/theatre. Baffling how jagex made so many mistakes.


I'm a recruiter for a clan that loves teaching pvm. We have learner roles and boss of the week, etc.
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Quote (etec @ Dec 7 2022 10:14pm)
yeah that's the problem, and getting to actually learn it is what keeps people like me out of xeric/tombs/theatre, there's no tutorial, you're constnatly attacked, huge penalties, big gp cost, harsh penalty like instant death and back to start, needing a team and who wants to waste their time teaching? And they don't scale to player levels or party size. And it feels like it's mandatory to have 1 bil insanely overpowered gear... "but you don't need it" you can say that while I look at the torva guy with vitur and inferno cape dying. If he dies, I wouldn't even waste my time and money trying. - that's how it feels and that's why most people don't bother touching them.

Compare this to something as simple as giant's foundry.

Dungeoneering is vastly better than xeric/tombs/theatre. Baffling how jagex made so many mistakes.


Raids do scale to player size tho, and raids one will scale based on skill levels, i don't know where you are getting that they don't
Raids 3 is an insanely easy raid to learn, and increase the curve as you get better and better at it, great way to introduce yourself to raids
Raids 2 is hell, i can give you that one, but it's something there for the high pvm attitude players and works well to be that outlet for them
I don't feel like a tutorial is needed for them as learning the mechanics is half the fun of them, and once you get some experience under your belt they are a blast to do in groups with friends

Dungeoneerings is a sub par skill that should have only existed as a minigame to begin with - to each their own with it, but 100% prefer raids over it myself
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