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Mar 8 2009 10:51pm
whats ur opinion on this book,discuss
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Mar 17 2009 02:49pm
Objectivism is an inadequate form of living.
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Mar 18 2009 11:29am
Abject agitprop.
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Mar 20 2009 08:10am
Ayn Rand's a crappy author.
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Apr 3 2009 12:47pm
You all fail it

Ayn Rand is smarter than God, well anyone is smarter than god considering that God doesn't exist,

Ayn Rand was smarter than you!

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Apr 6 2009 09:41pm
I enjoyed the book, but I don't really agree with her philosophy. There are certain parallels that translate to real life, but for the most part, the book illustrates two extremes that would never work.

On one side are the need based people. Basically, she goes to illustrate how complete socialism could never work, but a book isn't necessary to tell this. I guess historically, I can see where she is coming from, when this book was written, the government had grown massively up to about a decade ago what with the world war and great depression programs. American socialist programs that really benefited us were not really that common yet, but time has told us that sometimes, government control is necessary. If Rand had her way, we wouldn't have consumer safety laws or cheap prices on a lot of our necessities in which competition is not possible, nor would there be any oversight on men like Madoff of present day.

The other extreme is represented with Galt and Francisco and that philosopher who are completely capitalist. It's great that their little town works out when everybody is willing to work to produce, but the world simply isn't like that. In a real life, monopolies lead to inefficient companies that become the real looters of society. Have you seen the summer homes of the oil, train and electric barons of the past? They are too massive to be supported by any large group of private investors, the state is the only entity capable of preserving these estates. Though Rand claims that people like Orren and James are the ones who would become the looters, its clear as day in historical anecdote that the opposite is also true. She is simply too optimistic about self-fulfillment, the people of highest caliber have proved time and time again to be just as greedy as any other man.

She completely idolizes working only for personal gains, saying that the only reason to help others is to help the self. No act is completely selfless, yet she completely dismisses anybody who does things in the name of common good... sure, the antagonists in the book act selfishly, but people like Dagny, John, Francisco, these are sociopaths in real life.

Anyways, I read it more as a dystopian novel than anything else. A battle between complete self interest and complete self sacrifice. Of course the novel is written with sway towards self interest, but nonetheless, it was pretty reflective to me. Since she produces one extreme argument so well point by point, it was kind of nice reading through and trying to think of a counterpoint so that I could settle on where I stood. It wasn't exactly life changing, but it kind of did reaffirm my belief that the right course is somewhere between the two extremes provided in this book.

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Apr 8 2009 11:26pm
The book is an excruciatingly painful read that fails both as literature and as philosophy. Expect everyone with the slightest socialist tendencies to be naive, stupid, or evil. Expect every ardent capitalist to be a paragon of virtue. Really, there's only one line you need to read before skipping this book entirely.

53 page speech by John Galt.

That's right, 53 pages devoted to a single speech by a single character. Jesus Christ, Gandhi, and Barack Obama combined didn't talk that much. There is nothing that any individual in the world can say that needs 53 pages to be said. This book is a bloated beast appreciated only by narcissistic assholes. (aka, Objectivists) If you MUST read and Ayn Rand book (and I heavily suggest against it), try Fountainhead. Not nearly as bloated and it almost succeeds as an entertaining story.
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Apr 18 2009 12:00am
Yeah that book was fucking 1k+ pages. I attempted to read it because I heard some things about it. Glad I never did though.

GOOD BOOK IF YOUR A SELF IMPORTANT REPUBLICAN THOUGH
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Apr 20 2009 05:32am
It's not for everybody. Mainly the close minded that confuse "discuss" with "attack".

Ayn Rand hasn't gained the following she has by being a "crappy" author. Seems you either love it or hate it though. I agree with FFN on several points. Don't entirely agree with the philosophy portrayed but the book itself is an exaggerated example of some economic/political systems.

Atlas Shrugged is one of my favorite books. If you liked it then read some of Rand's other works, mainly The Fountainhead.
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Apr 23 2009 10:12am
absolutely awesome! Brilliant story, well developed characters, awesome lesson to be learned, one of the greats!
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