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Nov 15 2007 11:11pm
You're an idiot if...

If you think Eragon has any literary merit whatsoever. That Paolini has a speck of actual talent. (don't give me that 'for his age' bullshit. You judge him against other REAL professional authors, not what other socially isolated 15 year old brats are capable of) That his trilogy has any legitimate purpose beyond 'Paper-weight' or 'kindling'. If you enjoyed the books, even in a guilty pleasure sort of way, you simply have no taste and may want to expand your horizons a bit.

If you praise Da Vinci Code for being anything more than a mindless little pulp novel. I can see someone enjoying it, badly written and cliche ridden though it is, but don't try to tell me that its actually 'good'.

If on a 'best fantasy author' thread you post Goodkind, Jordan, Brooks, Rowling, Eddings, Paolini, or any D&D writer who has ever lived. Yes that means Salvatore too. So he's better than the two bit hacks that had accounted for 99.9% of the d&D writers out there...doesn't make him good. And though I haven't played a campaign in 15+ years, I hear everyone these days wants to make an angsty, gothed out elf as their character. Great fucking contribution R.A!! (just to clarify, not all of those names are bad...well, most of them are. But none of them come close to the best fantasy being written now or at any point in the past)

If you think Orson Scott Card wrote any books after Speaker for the Dead. He didn't. His entire literary career consisted of Ender's Game and Speaker. And if you're feeling REALLY frisky, you can cross off speaker, which got a bit silly at times itself. END OF STORY.

If you've ever read Ayn Rand and didn't want to burn your dick off with acid, swallow a box of thumb tacs, and crush your head in a vice.

If you don't think George Orwell is the greatest English speaking novelist of the last 100 years...well, maybe its not quite time to send you off to the reeducation camps yet, but you're cutting it close.



No more 'moron ifs', just got sick of some of the inexplicable Eragon love. Seriously, what is it guys? Its so damned derivative it might as well have been plagiarized. Its shit writing. Cliche ridden. Mary-Sue's galore. Not a single mature bone in its body, Harry Potter has a more 'adult' feel to it. How do you justify the fawning affection shown here?

That said, things I know.

George RR Martin is the greatest fantasy writer currently working today, 4th book notwithstanding.

Recently discovered him, but Richard Morgan is probably the only sci-fi author of this generation that deserves to be mentioned with the greats of the 'golden age' of Sci-fi in terms of talent and relevance.

Altered Carbon (by Richard Morgan) is probably the best Sci-fi book written in the last many years.

Lynch, Bakker, Mieville, and others are the future of fantasy. And the future looks good. Bakker's easily the most polished of the group while the other two sit near the cusp of greatness but have some flaws and inconsistencies to work out.

Lamb is still the funniest book ever written. (at least that I've read)
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Nov 16 2007 07:03am
Speaking of Richard Morgan, I've never read any of his stuff, but this might interest you.

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THE STEEL REMAINS

A new epic fantasy from

RICHARD MORGAN

Ringil, Archeth and Egar - Comrades in Arms

What do you do when an evil arises in the West, and you stand and fight, and throw it back into the sea it’s come from – and then watch as your victory gets pissed away in naked political opportunism, squalid border disputes and brutal ethnic cleansing? What do you do when, in the absence of anything decent left to fight for, the same internal desperation and rage that sent you screaming up against those suicidal odds a decade and a half ago starts instead to tear you apart from within? What do you do when you’re a hero to anyone who doesn’t know you, and a corrupt degenerate to anyone who does, and nowhere that resembles home can ever accept you back as you really are?

Simple – you go back to the ****-hole mountain town you once saved from destruction, back to where the thin lie of your heroism is just about coin enough to buy tolerance for your degenerate urges. And there you hide.

Which Ringil Eskiath, scarred hero of Gallows Gap and wielder of the kiriath blade Ravensfriend in the war against the Scaled Folk, has been doing ever since he walked away from the post-war mess. Too bad, then, that a family member has come calling with an offer he can’t refuse, a job only he can do, and a chance to crank himself back up to the same pitch of fury and purpose that sustained him like a drug all those years ago. Too bad because it’s a thankless task, not one he especially wants or even believes he has much chance of carrying to a successful end. But the truth is, as he’s forced to admit, to himself if no-one else, he really doesn’t have anything much better to do, right now or at any other foreseeable time in what remains of his hollowed-out life. It’ll be good to have something to fight for again, and if it kills him, well, it won’t much matter.

*

Drug problem, war veteran nerves, general sense of failure and loss? Absolutely no faith in the current ****-up son of the ruling dynasty you’re supposed to owe allegiance to? No family, no friends, no-one you can really trust anymore – and a job you hate and don’t really know how to do? Welcome to the life at court of the lady kir-Archeth Indamaninarmal, abandoned kiriath half-breed, and last remaining advisor to the Yhelteth Empire on an equally abandoned kiriath technology she only half-way understands herself.

A decade and a half ago, she came home from the war against the Scaled Folk as disillusioned as most of her comrades from the faltering human alliance, and with some of the same damage. But beyond that, she at least believed the Empire had been worth saving. Now, as the new Emperor squanders his father’s legacy, as a new priestly caste arises to preach holy war and ethnic ascendancy against Yhelteth’s neighbours, and as everyone at court trades in governmental concern for paranoia and self preservation, she’s having a hard time remembering why she ever cared one way or the other.

Which makes her a far from ideal candidate to take charge of the investigation when a new and apparently sorcerous enemy begins making violent inroads on the Empire’s borders. Then again, ideal or not, she’s the only one even remotely qualified for the job.

*

And then there’s Egar. Egar the steppe nomad, Egar the Barbarian – or at least he would be, if he could just forget what it was like to have once lived in a place with decent cuisine, hot water bathing and clean shaves; what it was like to learn to read and write, and find it not only useful but surprisingly enjoyable; what it was like to fight as a mercenary for the reputedly decadent but really quite civilised Yhelteth Empire, what it was like to bring down a dragon for them single-handed in the war against the Scaled Folk – and end up an imperial citizen in good standing for his trouble.

Those things are gone now, dropped back over the steppe’s horizon to the south where he first found them. Ekar the Dragonbane has come back home to his people in triumph a rich man, a respected warrior and a natural choice for tribal chief. But a decade on, the triumph is wearing a little thin; he can’t settle, his fellow Majak herdsmen are driving him up a guy rope with their superstitions and their ignorance and their general lack of interest in anything but the world they know – and above all he could really, really use a hot-water shave.

Fortunately, Egar won’t be stuck here much longer with these exercises in nostalgia. Rivalries within the Majak are stirring, and out on the steppe, the Majak chief’s enemies have found allies of no human kind. If he wants to survive the confrontation that’s on its way, Egar’s going to have to swallow a life-time of instinct and run long before.

*

These three erstwhile comrades in arms will find themselves flung back together again as the hard fought and soured peace they helped to win is brought once again to the brink of war. Dark, unnatural forces are stirring, an ancient order has been summoned back to life and something very unpleasant is coming to call.


And you didn't mention Erikson as being a damned good writer, I'm dissapointed.

This post was edited by Veilside on Nov 16 2007 07:03am
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Nov 16 2007 11:42pm
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And you didn't mention Erikson as being a damned good writer, I'm dissapointed.


Heh...because I personally don't think he is. I don't think he's a bad one. He does have a flair for over the top characters and storytelling. There's certainly a niche for power-gaming wet dreams put into novel form. But I wouldn't place him amongst the best fantasy authors today.

And interesting stuff on Morgan. I actually didn't know he was dipping into the epic fantasy market. Will be something different for him and I'll be interested in any take he has on the genre. About the only problem thus far I can see are the names. I HATE 90% of the names in fantasy literature. Apostrophes should be banned. As well as any name more than 3 syllables.
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Nov 17 2007 03:36am
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You're an idiot if...

If you think Eragon has any literary merit whatsoever. That Paolini has a speck of actual talent. (don't give me that 'for his age' bullshit. You judge him against other REAL professional authors, not what other socially isolated 15 year old brats are capable of) That his trilogy has any legitimate purpose beyond 'Paper-weight' or 'kindling'. If you enjoyed the books, even in a guilty pleasure sort of way, you simply have no taste and may want to expand your horizons a bit.

If you praise Da Vinci Code for being anything more than a mindless little pulp novel. I can see someone enjoying it, badly written and cliche ridden though it is, but don't try to tell me that its actually 'good'.

If on a 'best fantasy author' thread you post Goodkind, Jordan, Brooks, Rowling, Eddings, Paolini, or any D&D writer who has ever lived. Yes that means Salvatore too. So he's better than the two bit hacks that had accounted for 99.9% of the d&D writers out there...doesn't make him good. And though I haven't played a campaign in 15+ years, I hear everyone these days wants to make an angsty, gothed out elf as their character. Great fucking contribution R.A!! (just to clarify, not all of those names are bad...well, most of them are. But none of them come close to the best fantasy being written now or at any point in the past)

If you think Orson Scott Card wrote any books after Speaker for the Dead. He didn't. His entire literary career consisted of Ender's Game and Speaker. And if you're feeling REALLY frisky, you can cross off speaker, which got a bit silly at times itself. END OF STORY.

If you've ever read Ayn Rand and didn't want to burn your dick off with acid, swallow a box of thumb tacs, and crush your head in a vice.

If you don't think George Orwell is the greatest English speaking novelist of the last 100 years...well, maybe its not quite time to send you off to the reeducation camps yet, but you're cutting it close.



No more 'moron ifs', just got sick of some of the inexplicable Eragon love. Seriously, what is it guys? Its so damned derivative it might as well have been plagiarized. Its shit writing. Cliche ridden. Mary-Sue's galore. Not a single mature bone in its body, Harry Potter has a more 'adult' feel to it. How do you justify the fawning affection shown here?

That said, things I know.

George RR Martin is the greatest fantasy writer currently working today, 4th book notwithstanding.

Recently discovered him, but Richard Morgan is probably the only sci-fi author of this generation that deserves to be mentioned with the greats of the 'golden age' of Sci-fi in terms of talent and relevance.

Altered Carbon (by Richard Morgan) is probably the best Sci-fi book written in the last many years.

Lynch, Bakker, Mieville, and others are the future of fantasy. And the future looks good. Bakker's easily the most polished of the group while the other two sit near the cusp of greatness but have some flaws and inconsistencies to work out.

Lamb is still the funniest book ever written. (at least that I've read)


You sure don't leave much to read. I definately have to agree with you on George RR Martin. I can't wait for another book from him.
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Nov 17 2007 04:09am
If you don't think George Orwell is the greatest English speaking novelist of the last 100 years...well, maybe its not quite time to send you off to the reeducation camps yet, but you're cutting it close.

I don't agree with that,even though i couldn't give you names. Maybe i could not entirely appreciate his style because i got lacks in English,as it is not my native language and i'm 15 years old. He's good,but not the best in my opinion.
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Nov 18 2007 06:47pm
Given that Clarke is still writing I don't think his time is done so he easily trumps Morgan. Can't really disagree otherwise.
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Nov 26 2007 05:57pm
I AM NOT AN IDIOT smile.gif.. why would i be one.. sad.gif ><
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Nov 30 2007 08:06pm
thats kind of unfair the eragon books aren't that bad i like them. dun judge some 1. i'd like to see u write books that sell as good as his have :/. until then dun say anything. sry
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Dec 21 2007 07:01pm
I'm sure achilles is pissing a lot of ppl off, but i get where he is comin from i think. The truth is, the only reason the whole "harry potter" and eragon craze happened is cuz they finally made "lord of the rings" into a movie and it made buck. bigtime. After that, it was a matter of finding another movie that could b the next "lord of the rings" when HP sold an assload of copies, the studio knew they had their book. And since that success there has been a rush to make nething, no matter how crappy of a book into a movie. Which is how we got "chronicles of narnia" and everything else into a movie so fast. Now the mentality is if it sits on the shelf 1 year its a "classic" judged by ppl who havent read a book since high school.....
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Dec 21 2007 07:03pm
Tolkien ne1? lol.
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