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Quote (Kulith @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 11:41am)
I can't believe I keep talking to you. Read the thread you moron.


I did and I found nothing good in your posts. They're retarded. And you keep talking to me because you're raged. I'm controlling you like a puppet. smile.gif
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Quote (pwb3 @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 06:45pm)
I did and I found nothing good in your posts. They're retarded. And you keep talking to me because you're raged. I'm controlling you like a puppet. smile.gif


Dude, compare my analytical posts intelligently debating literature with Achilles to your flamming interference and you see no difference?

Your controlling me like a puppet? Funny how you just said in the Transformers thread that "im done talking to you, your just not worth it". No surprises here, someone of your limited intellect couldnt possibly remember something they wrote in a post 10 minutes ago.
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Quote (Kulith @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 11:49am)
Dude, compare my analytical posts intelligently debating literature with Achilles to your flamming interference and you see no difference?

Your controlling me like a puppet? Funny how you just said in the Transformers thread that "im done talking to you, your just not worth it". No surprises here, someone of your limited intellect couldnt possibly remember something they wrote in a post 10 minutes ago.


I see no intelligence in this post of yours whatsoever. Care to explain how this was an "intelligent debate"?

Quote (Kulith)
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BOOOOOOOOOOOOKS

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROBERT JORDAN IS THE FUCKING WORST AUTHOR EVER TO WALK THE EARTH.


The only thing I see is your rage and negativism. Clearly you know you're wrong since you had to type that in all caps, AND throw in cuss words, to get people's attention and to kindle a lot of arguments with a lot of people because that's what you love to do: get into fights with people and piss them all off. That's all you ever do. You're a forum troll, but a really stupid one. Well, all trolls are anyway.
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Quote (pwb3 @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 07:07pm)
The only thing I see is your rage and negativism. Clearly you know you're wrong since you had to type that in all caps, AND throw in cuss words, to get people's attention and to kindle a lot of arguments with a lot of people because that's what you love to do: get into fights with people and piss them all off. That's all you ever do. You're a forum troll, but a really stupid one. Well, all trolls are anyway.


I just can't believe your calling me a troll, but since its your first ever attempt at coming up with your own creative insult I guess I can let you try again.

But seriously, you basically said the same exact thing in the other thread.... I know you don't remember. But lets try to keep this in one thread, seeing as it would help to make you look like you're actually thinking before you're posting.

Obviously I have demolished everything youve said you're diminished down to repeating what youve already said. I don't deem that worth the effort of copying and pasting my reply in the other post though.

Anyways, nobody would ever guess, if anybody is following along, that your calling me the pessimistic, negative one looking for a fight. I am attempting to appease you and calm you down by presenting you evidence to the contrary, while you ignore everything I say, and all the substantiation in your regard, and continue flamming the same bullshit over and over.

Intelligent debate - between me and Achilles you moron, not you. I know theres alot of big words in there, and those big paragraphs must be intimidating to you, but I would recommend you go back and read them. You might actually learn something.

This post was edited by Kulith on Oct 21 2007 02:25pm
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Haven't read 'em, won't read 'em


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Quote (Kulith @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 01:23pm)
I just can't believe your calling me a troll, but since its your first ever attempt at coming up with your own creative insult I guess I can let you try again.

But seriously, you basically said the same exact thing in the other thread.... I know you don't remember. But lets try to keep this in one thread, seeing as it would help to make you look like you're actually thinking before you're posting.

Obviously I have demolished everything youve said you're diminished down to repeating what youve already said. I don't deem that worth the effort of copying and pasting my reply in the other post though.

Anyways, nobody would ever guess, if anybody is following along, that your calling me the pessimistic, negative one looking for a fight. I am attempting to appease you and calm you down by presenting you evidence to the contrary, while you ignore everything I say, and all the substantiation in your regard, and continue flamming the same bullshit over and over.

Intelligent debate - between me and Achilles you moron, not you. I know theres alot of big words in there, and those big paragraphs must be intimidating to you, but I would recommend you go back and read them. You might actually learn something.


Care to explain how these two posts of yours were "intelligent"?

Quote (Kulith @ Sun, Oct 14 2007, 04:52pm)
fuck you. Goodkind is a God. Im finishing up Phantom and I can't fucking wait a month for the next book to come out.


Quote (Kulith @ Tue, Oct 16 2007, 01:16pm)
i dont much care about your opinion, but if your going to but Rober Jordan above Terry Goodkind, I swear I will hunt you down and murder you myself.


Jesus, so bloody hostile and all over a book! That is very pathetic! Pathetic! I mean, all of us have different tastes. Why can't you accept that fact? WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT FAVORITES. You like Goodkind? Ok, awesome, now leave it at that. We like Jordan so leave it at that. The majority of us like Jordan way more than Goodkind. There is no reason for you to be hostile like that. You are just too evil and narrow minded to grasp that simple concept. I mean, god, murder a person because he likes Jordan more than Goodkind? Wow... you really need to get out of your fucking box. You are very pessimistic, evil and very very sick in the head. Go see a fucking doctor. Actually, never mind... just kill yourself instead. That'd be the best option.
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Quote (pwb3 @ Mon, Oct 22 2007, 06:51pm)
Jesus, so bloody hostile and all over a book! That is very pathetic! Pathetic! I mean, all of us have different tastes. Why can't you accept that fact? WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT FAVORITES. You like Goodkind? Ok, awesome, now leave it at that. We like Jordan so leave it at that. The majority of us like Jordan way more than Goodkind. There is no reason for you to be hostile like that. You are just too evil and narrow minded to grasp that simple concept. I mean, god, murder a person because he likes Jordan more than Goodkind? Wow... you really need to get out of your fucking box. You are very pessimistic, evil and very very sick in the head. Go see a fucking doctor. Actually, never mind... just kill yourself instead. That'd be the best option.


and on and on he goes about whos hostile about this book. To be honest, im surprised you didnt flam again like you constanly do. But since you asked for it, now I have to quote myslef all these times. Since you boviously picked out the few times I flammed and quoted them, for some reason your making me show you the rest when its right there before your eyes. See below. Its called intelligent conversation. I don't know why you keep asking me why I think its intelligent. I dont even think you can fathom the concept of intelligence.

Kill yourself- you already used that. Better than troll, but still lame repetition - keep trying to find a good insult, I can almost hear your brain working from here.

Contradiction here again, but you must know this. I couldn't "leave it at that" anymore than you could so dont now attempt to lay all this down on my feet noob. Obviously you couldn't accept the fact that I despise half the series and leave it at that. You couldn't even pick out any of my solid points of reasoning and discuss them, you went straight to flamming and bullshiting everywhere. See below. And Yea, I really meant to murder Achilles. Even someone with 5 working brain cells can find embroidery in this forum. You, on the other hand.... seem to have trouble.

in response, and support, to my original post.
Quote (Veilside @ Tue, Jun 19 2007, 07:21am)
I like the word conglusion smile.gif
More seriously, I do agree with you on some points, mainly the "no characters dying" bit, something a lot of authors are afraid to do, The Lord of the Rings would have been better if Frodo had died at the end, The Tamuli series would have been better if Sephrenia had died, that's why i like the Malazan Book of the Fallen series so much, Steven Erikson isn't afraid to kill off main characters when the time comes.
Yes, the books are extremely slow but I never had any problem with that whatsoever, so he doesn't kill any of the Forsaken (Forsaken??? I'm getting confused with Glen Cooks stuff here) every singly bloody book, who cares, the plotline is still advancing, things are still happening and I think he'll probably get the last book finishes before he dies.


in response, and supporting everything I said in my original post. Except about goodkind.
Quote (AchillesHK @ Wed, Oct 17 2007, 03:06pm)
The series started good. It was a nice, quaint little derivative yarn about the typical 'chosen one' farmboy exploring the world and coming into power. The characters were simplistic, but interesting. And he was highly readable and entertaining for about the first 4 books.

Than he lost control of the story. Instead of the enjoyable core characters, the cast was expanded to a literal cast of thousands. And most of them sucked. Literally hundreds of female characters, entirely redundant in names (seriosuly, could you figure out who was who?) and personalities. Each one bitchier, more powerful, more beautiful, more stubborn, and more annoying than the last. Jordan himself admitted that he couldn't write women. And that he based most of his female characters off his wife. Were he not dead, I'd make a crack about his wife. But that'd be in bad taste now.

Anyway, the villains. The Foresaken and dark one started off as this mysterious, sinister force capable of untold atrocities. Nightmare inducing shit. Now? They couldn't inspire fear in the heart of a 5 year old bedwetter. They sit around whining like High School cliques, their 'grand plans' usually amount to nothing, they're easily killed...another dying with relative ease about every other book, and they're so pathetic that they're even being recycled. There is absolutely NOTHING in the presentation of their characters to make me think they're competent enough to destroy cities or slaughter peoples like the stories about them suggest. Jordan told us...he did an awful job of showing us.

The heroes:
When they are around, there's no suspense. The most overused plot device (Ta'avern) in fantasy literature will ensure that they'll find everything they need, meet everyone they should, and get out of all the most desperate situations relatively unscathed. They're also world-weary 20 somethings who continue to act like 12 year old adolescents afraid of girls. 'Mat knows everything about women'/'NO Rand does!' Give me a break. Everything in the book is treated in a childlike manner. These are some of the least mature character interactions I've seen in ANY writing. Harry Potter can have adults interact like adults...WoT simply can't manage that.

And this doesn't even touch on the most popular complaint. The fact that there's been no meaningful plot advancement for about 5+ books. We're talking thousands of pages with nothing relevant. Or if it was relevant (cleansing), it just popped out of thin air without adequate foundation, build up, or support.

Knife had some moments in the second half, but its just not enough. RJ down the stretch was largely unreadable.



He is NOT NEAR the best fantasy out there. Anyone who suggests that really hasn't read much fantasy. I don't hate RJ. He's had a largely positive impact on the fantasy genre...arguably the most important fantasy author since Tolkien. The popularity of WoT allowed alot of other, much better fantasy to be published. Who knows if Martin (who probably actually does write the best work in the fantasy genre today) would be where he is without RJ's blurb on his first novel? Who knows if authors like Erikson, Bakker, Lynch, and others would be able to sell multi-volume epic ideas to publishers without the trend RJ set? The genre definitely owes him a debt.

That said, fantasy is undergoing a bit of a renaissance. New, more talented authors are writing intelligent, compelling work. Adding a mature edge. Exploring relevant philosophical questions. Avoiding the cliches or turning them on their head. There is alot of great work out there...and it is getting published.


in response to achilles post.
Quote (Kulith @ Wed, Oct 17 2007, 09:07pm)
- These are some of the least mature character interactions I've seen in ANY writing. Harry Potter can have adults interact like adults...WoT simply can't manage that.
- The fact that there's been no meaningful plot advancement for about 5+ books. We're talking thousands of pages with nothing relevant.
- They sit around whining like High School cliques, their 'grand plans' usually amount to nothing, they're easily killed...another dying with relative ease about every other book, and they're so pathetic that they're even being recycled
- Each woman bitchier, more powerful, more beautiful, more stubborn, and more annoying than the last.


EXACTLY!!

THats exactly what i said, except not so aggressive. But you're still giving Jordan way too much credit. He hasn't had the great impact your painting of him.... In fact, the popularity of the Waste of Time smuggled and quenched much better fantasy. Wot is in no way creative or compelling. He takes super popular ideas (like fucking talking to fucking wolves) and a million other things from tolkien and eddings (for starters) and other gods...and retards praise him for it. As I said, his first 3 had the potential to be the start of a great series, but wtf happened to them? your guess is as good as mine.

and Martins fourth book was a misery.... His first three where jammed packed full of juicy potential but his fourth book left you thinking: wtf?? I put it down ofter the 1000'th chapter of Brianna wandering around in the pointless side plot looking for stupid sansa because of the promise she gave to a dead woman. And when my absolutely least favorite character finally died (catelyn) martin brings her back to life.... wtf...pisses me off.


Quote (AchillesHK @ Wed, Oct 17 2007, 09:30pm)
I'm one of the harshest critics of Martin's fourth book. From a storytelling perspective, much of it was awful. Brienne of course the biggest offender. Her chapters amounted to a 100+ page travelogue with ABSOLUTELY nothing relevant happening til literally her last page. Travelogues annoy the hell out of me and should be purged from all fantasy.

Martin struggled with the 4th book. You may or may not have heard about the split that necessitated the 5+ year delay between novels. He intended a 5 year gap between books 3 and 4 (storywise, not in real life...although ironically enough, things worked out the opposite). But there were too many details to fill in, background for that period to cover, and he realized that he spent most of the first half of the book telling what happened. So he trashed the 5 year gap. And had to come to a decision....write half a storyarc for all the characters, or a full arc for half the characters. He went for the second choice.

I have no problem with that choice. My only problem is that he did not deliver on his promise. None of the characters really had anything approaching a full storyarc. Most of them can be summed up with 'Nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened, 'CLIMAX!!!'. Sam took a trip. The book ends once he reaches the destination. Arya trains...and nothing else. The Ironborn talk about invasion...than start one, thats it. And so on and so forth. The only storyline with significant development that remained interesting throughout was Cersei's and the other ones centered on King's Landing.


That said, its still Martin. Even when he's off his game, he's more readable and enjoyable than 90% of the hacks in the genre. His themes and symbolism are strong throughout. Often times relating in a number of different ways to the title of the novel. He elicits powerful images of the aftermath of war without boring us to tears by spending too long on the struggles of random peasant A or B. From a writing perspective, he still has some of the strongest, most readable prose in the genre. Effective dialogue (some of which was lacking in the absense of Tyrion sadly) along with well drawn and intelligent characters.

And on Cat...i'm not sure what she has can really be called 'life'.

And of course...I'm still gonna give you shit for liking Goodkind. smile.gif


Quote (Kulith @ Wed, Oct 17 2007, 09:52pm)
exactly man...

Lets hope the fourth books is simply a "black sheep" in the overall series. I certainly hope its not the beginning of something like what happend to jordans work....
And yea, it pissed me off that tyrion and spider simply vanished...that imp was like the coolist guy in the books, everythnig that made up a great caracter, and CUNNING!!
Arya, my previous favorite character, is now boring as hell studing with priests. AFter she met that magician-priest dude I thought it was going to be awesome.... uhhh nothing happens.
You saying you don't like Goodkind?? unbelievable. Goodkind is a fucking god. I can't fucking wait for nov 13,the last final resounding climatic dramatic fucking book.


Quote (AchillesHK @ Wed, Oct 17 2007, 10:11pm)
As for the credits, I think most of them are due. Fantasy was largely dead when WoT started. Brooks started the first resurgence with what amounted to an inferior retelling of LotR's. Which spawned a number of fantasy works in the same vein that amounted to Tolkien ripoffs or Dungeons and dragons campaigns set to book form. But that was done by the mid-80's. From there until WoT 1 was published almost no new major fantasy epics started. And what was published was usually shit. (Pratchet excepted of course)

Fantasy has always had a negative stigma. And by the late 80's the soccer mom crusaders were out in full force against the 'evil' D&D shit that was corrupting their children and "causing" murders and suicides. Anything with dragons or magic was already relegated to the 'kiddie' isle and at that point, pompous moral crusaders decided such things were unfit for kids as well. The genre had no respect and near universal scorn. Alot of it was deserved. Most works were poorly written and trotted out the same old cliches time and time again.

RJ didn't break those cliches. He wanted to to some extent (fairly interesting how he originally envisioned the series), but publishing pressures nixed that outside the box thinking right away. Initially however his writing was strong compared to the rest of the genre, his characters interesting and enjoyable in their naive innocence, and his world vast and more thoroughly explored than anything before. And it was popular. As a general rule, fantasy books DO NOT appear on major top 10 bestsellers lists. And Jordan was the first one to do so (several novels popping up at #1...at least on the week of release) in a long time. This told publishers that fantasy was actually marketable again. This allowed other authors to get published. Once WoT started getting really popular, sometime around book 3-5, suddenly we saw the publishing of Goodkind, Martin, Hobb and others. All within a few years span.

I'm not saying that wouldn't have been published without RJ. We can't know either way. But he absolutely did make it easier for fantasy writers to get a serious look by publishers. And made some writers and publishers more willing to take risks in the genre. And his success, the later new works of other authors, all contributed to an increasingly more talented pool of authors deciding to give fantasy a try. As a general rule, talented writers didn't bother with fantasy. It was boring. Derivative. For the infantile fantasies of adolescent boys. Nothing more than farmboy A discovers great power and must learn from mentor B (who always dies at some point), while seeking out SUPER Item C to help destroy SUPERVILLAIN D and save the world.

Now we have Bakker exploring concepts of free will vs. determinism through the eyes of a 100% amoral, sociopathic protagonist. Mieville blending steampunk and fantasy in one of the most outstandingly weird worlds ever put to ink. And of course Martin dashing every expectation and slaughtering every fantasy cliche in his low magic, high realism, morally grey fantasy epic. These are all VERY talented authors. Ones who may well have found another genre if fantasy was still a dead end filled with nothing but inferior lotr knockoffs. RJ did not smother this. RJ told the rest of the literary world that fantasy was still viable. Its no coincidence that once WoT got popular, alot of other BIG fantasy suddenly started getting published again.


Quote (Kulith @ Thu, Oct 18 2007, 02:39am)
pwb3 your a noob

Achilles, you say all this about Goodkind, which I don't particularly agree with, especially the political aspect, but you did alot more criticizing of RJ's books than you do now of goodkinds. Now your simply criticizing Goodkinds writing as poor, and dismissing it without even solid reasoning, while you vigorously criticized RJs books with sound evidence like characters, plot, style, setting, length and all the other obvious problems with RJs books. Leads me to believe you didn't read many Goodkind books. Which ones did you read then? And you still say "Goodkind is infinitely worse than RJ on his worst day".

And I still completely disagree with the credit your giving RJ for , in a sense, "spawning" new fantasy.... I hate to even remotely think that gods like Robin Hobb, Goodkind, or even Martin and others developed anything out of RJ's works. Writing is inspirational, not casual (for lack of a better word?) The way you say it, authors pick what genre and theme they want to write about based on subjects of popularity, and RJ's success created writers trying to leech off this and start writing fantasy??? Authors are motivated and inspired to write what they want. Lets say we were to erase RJ from the face of history, then Hobb, Goodkind, Martin and a thousand other fantasy authors works would remain exactly the same. You say RJ's works told publishers that fantasy was open market again... I doubt this affected any now-great authors choice of writing fantasy....they obviously would have been written anyways. I mean, I think of Goodkind and RJ as extreme opposites. What RJ did to ruin fantasy, Goodkind did to repair. Everything about RJ and Goodkind are opposite, from character development (RJ = fags who cant touch their own nose, TG = familiar characters the reader can completely adhere too), plot development (RJ = no plot, TG = extreme plot), to writing style is drastically different.

And I seriously doubt Goodkind writing is a form of propaganda, its just the way he writes about his views. I mean, if you disagree with them then its obvious your going to discriminate the books, but by no means does that make a bad author. Look, Hitler was a great author, but his views were corrupted and shit. But, by no means, was Hitler a "poor" author for writing books that inspired wars and justified murder just because it followed single minded ideals.


That pwb3, is called an intelligent debate. These posts are right under your nose, and you pulled out the two that I simply said "fuck you" in, and said I have nothing intelligent to say or ever have. Must I evaluate even further? It doesn't matter, your going to ignore what I have to say anyway, despite the proof, like you always do and continue with this bullshit. I can literally prove to you the sky is blue, but your still going to scream "NO FUCK YOU THE SKY IS RED BITCH" . Well here it goes. See my next post as to where you came into the story. Huh, funny I don't see any support, just biased opionion repeated over and over, with excessive use of swearwords and single minded convulted opinion.
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Quote (pwb3 @ Fri, Oct 19 2007, 07:47pm)
Ooooohhhhh I'm so hurt, Kulith called me a noob laugh.gif

I'll just leave it to everyone else to judge who is the idiot here. I'm sure everyone will hate Kulith more wink.gif

It's obvious who's the moron here tongue.gif

Quote (pwb3 @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 06:41pm)
How so? O_o
You're too stupid to maintain an intelligent conversation yourself, so you have no right to accuse me of not having an intelligent conversation. And so far, I've had perfect intelligence in my posts while yours had NONE whatsoever. Your IQ is clearly in the negatives. Sorry, kid, you fail yet again.

Quote (pwb3 @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 06:45pm)
I did and I found nothing good in your posts. They're retarded. And you keep talking to me because you're raged. I'm controlling you like a puppet. smile.gif

Quote (pwb3 @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 07:07pm)
The only thing I see is your rage and negativism. Clearly you know you're wrong since you had to type that in all caps, AND throw in cuss words, to get people's attention and to kindle a lot of arguments with a lot of people because that's what you love to do: get into fights with people and piss them all off. That's all you ever do. You're a forum troll, but a really stupid one. Well, all trolls are anyway.

Quote (pwb3 @ Mon, Oct 22 2007, 06:51pm)
Jesus, so bloody hostile and all over a book! That is very pathetic! Pathetic! I mean, all of us have different tastes. Why can't you accept that fact? WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT FAVORITES. You like Goodkind? Ok, awesome, now leave it at that. We like Jordan so leave it at that. The majority of us like Jordan way more than Goodkind. There is no reason for you to be hostile like that. You are just too evil and narrow minded to grasp that simple concept. I mean, god, murder a person because he likes Jordan more than Goodkind? Wow... you really need to get out of your fucking box. You are very pessimistic, evil and very very sick in the head. Go see a fucking doctor. Actually, never mind... just kill yourself instead. That'd be the best option.

Quote (pwb3 @ Fri, Oct 19 2007, 08:05pm)
I understand why you like it a lot. It's because you're able to relate to Dr. House, who is a douche just like you.

Seriously, you're unable to take pleasure in ANYTHING or even be a positive, happy person AT ALL! Please just shoot yourself and spare yourself and everyone else the pain. Thanks.

Quote (pwb3 @ Sun, Oct 21 2007, 06:33pm)
Have YOU?

edit: and every word I said was true. You simply CAN'T be a positive person whatsoever! You're the most miserable, pessimistic person on this forum. Period. God, just kill yourself please.

Quote (pwb3 @ Fri, Oct 19 2007, 07:57pm)
You're everybody's enemy and you seem to take pleasure in contradicting everyone. You are the biggest idiot on this forum.

Guys, don't mind Kulith, he's just a douche with a IQ in the negatives, and has a terrible taste in books and apparently movies as well. He's always negative, negative, NEGATIVE on everything. Very horrible person to be around with, like a black cloud or a splinter or whatnot.

Anyway, I voted excellent, it was a very good movie and very entertaining to watch and the occassional jokes were brilliant. I watched it on dvd twice already. smile.gif


Your insulting posts go on and on.... I mean this is just rock hard evidence against everything youve been saying for the last 4 days and I can't wait to hear what bullshit you have to say in your defense now.
Now, decide for yourself. See any difference between my debating and your flamming? You have no idea how to even support any of your opinions to begin with. You can't fathom an intelligent debate, only mindless flamming and fighting. I don't even know how you can keep saying that I can only leave negative comments and pessimistic opinions when I literally gave you a dozen links that proved otherwise. You pulled out 2 posts that I flammed in, and used it as proof despite 100 posts to the contrary. You literally asked me to give you these quotes, now that I have, your argument is meaningless and your opinion is nulled.
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Here's a few of your posts... (and of course there's alot of more but I prefer to keep it brief)

Quote (Kulith @ Thu, Jun 14 2007, 07:15pm)
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BOOOOOOOOOOOOKS

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROBERT JORDAN IS THE FUCKING WORST AUTHOR EVER TO WALK THE EARTH.

yea ok so two girls are walking down the street and they meet these 10 or so thugs and they take them out and go have a cup of tea ok yea thats when I put down the books because I couldnt believe that I was reading that shit, hopefully nobody saw me or they will think I have absolutely no taste in literature.

So every fucking character in the book is the most beatifull girl hes ever set eyes upon, or the most handsome man she has ever seen, every fucking one of them, except for this one old laidy with a wart on her nose who appeared in a dream. So yea nobody dies, like absolutely nobody, except for like people who dont have names and stuff, you know how it is, the guy beside me took an arrow in the face etc... nobody in the books know how to die, I would love to just jump in and machine gun them all down all the characters are fucking retarded, even perrin turned out to be such a dissapointment. Oh yea speaking of wolf-man the stupid author has absolutely no creativity, this must be like the 15 author ive read who has a character communicate with wolves. And I dont know what robert jordan has with fucking worshiping women either.

Take a look at this review http://www.amazon.com/Crossroads-Twilight-Wheel-Time-Book/dp/B000FFJRI6/ref=sr_1_14/104-5371303-9117564?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181872122&sr=8-14
this book has a record low review on amazon with half a star and 2.5 THOUSAND reviews, unbelievable, congratulations robert your wrote the worst books ever.

I cannot believe how you guys are overrating this books, robert, robby, after the first 3 books absolutely nothing is happening in the series, NOTHING they just walk, but then they walk slower and slower, and then suddenly he writes a book where they are just talking the whole way through about the color of horse shit. A more appropriate name would have been The Waste Of Time. Please read the reviews in that link, they are utterly amazing.'

Anybody who says these disgustaing ink slops on horse shit is better than the novel masters and world lords of literature like Tolkien and Rowling are shamefull to everybody who has ever read a book in their life.

Damn, I really barely expressed myself in this post, I leave my comments about the Waste Of Time all over the internet, and I barely got started today, but if you want more feel free to ask how much these books suck.

Edit and yea about robbys health issues yea hes definitely gona die way before this series ever crosses the half way line, way way way before.

Please read this interview excerpt from the direction this series is headed in the future:


Quote (Kulith @ Wed, Oct 17 2007, 02:07pm)
Quote (AchillesHK @ Wed @  Oct 17 2007, 03:07pm)
Don't listen to Kulith. He reads goodkind. Who is infinitely worse than RJ on his worst day.


You, sir, just signed your death sentence.

Jordan isn't worth liking the dirt off Goodkinds shoes.

Quote (Kulith @ Wed, Jun 20 2007, 01:45pm)
If I remember correctly they didnt get aid till the last thug, and she only used magic on one of them, and I dont believe they had the element of surprise, werent they surrounded? (im sorry, ive read quality books since then). If you are trying to say that this situation is credible then you are a real pussy, I honestly dont even think im talking to a man here.

And, to further my original assumption that you are fucking retarded (which was, in part, started by your having a username based off one of these shity shity shity books), you are discrediting TWO AND A HALF THOUSAND REVIEWS saying this series is reprossesed horse shit. Yea, ummm, im not the one making a fool of myself here, maybe you should just shut the fuck up?

Ive reread your next to last sentence [I guess....matter.] and I cant make any sense of it at all. You are saying I need to read an interview so that I can say the universe of Robert Jorden isn't well defined??? Actually I just needed to read the series to know that, AND have literate understanding of the fundamental differences between masterpieces and something some old hag used laxatives to shit out overnight.

And for your last sentence, well I guess TheRaven pointed out he had the heart of the losing (not loosing) part of the discussion when he personally pointed out he was a jackass. Next you have to point out your a homosexual, come on we all see it coming.... just admit it.


Quote (Kulith @ Mon, Sep 17 2007, 06:40pm)
Not unless his shity books write themselves seeing as he just died.

Good ridance, one less horrible author in this world. Those books where painfull to read. As I predicted, he died long before the end of the series even comes within eyesight.

The Waste of Time has finally ended.


All full of insults. You just love to provoke anger in people and kindle fights. In the third quote, I bolded some parts where you were insulting people for their names and calling them retarded, homosexual, etc. That didn't make any sense at all. How are we retarded or homosexual for copying names from Jordan's books? I should call you retarded for copying that Diablo image from Arreat Summit, for instance. No, that wouldn't make sense...

Alot of people agree with me, you're only here to piss people off for liking Jordan's books. You could've just left these Jordan topics alone, but no you decided to plunge in and bitch at people like you did in those posts. You're arguing with practically everyone and making death threats. I never would do that, never did, and never will. I respect other people's opinions. I do not call other people homosexual or retarded when they say they like this book, that movie, or whatnot.

Why didn't I quote those debates you had with Achilles, you ask? Because they were alright. That's the kind of debate that grown ups would do. However, you had alot of insults toward other people (like these quotes above) and that's what upsets me. You have no respect for anyone who disagrees with you whatsoever. As for myself, I do respect everyone who deserves respect. I don't respect these who have no maturity (like you) and makes such posts as these and makes death threats.
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wow, all four of them. You just blew me away. My dozen quotes just cant compare to those can they. And man, all those are directed directly at you arent they?? Unlike my quotes of you, they arent directed at me at all are they? Nope, not a single one.

Seriously man, I give you a dozen quotes from you flamming me for no reason then to inspire a fight. And you give me 4 quotes not even directed at you, all the way back from JUNE:
1st one: Youve allready shown me this one. At least you quoted the whole thing this time. Like Ive already told you, this came directly from amazon. I posted it because I agree with everything it said. It starts with strong opinion and ends with concrete evidence straight from the series and other reveiws on amazon. During this whole time, you haven't bothered to pick out and discuss a single one of these points of issue with me, which you so strongly apparently disagree with. Instead, as ive told you a thousand times, youre just bluntly looking for a fight, and flamming everyone in your way. Like I said, you don't even bother arguing about jordan, its all just "everything you say is retarded.... go kill yourself". Meaningless.

2nd one: This was the beginning of that intelligent debate with Achilles. Might I point out the difference in the way Achilles maturely handled it and carriod on a debate pointing out both several similarities and flaws while combining his opinion with my reasoning? while someone like you erupts like a volcano in a thousand threads like some big flamming monster??

3rd one: There is nothing im ashamed of at all, whatsoever, in that thread. That dickwad barely surpasses your own ignorance. You aren't disagreeing with me either, your just pointing out that I insulted him, when he deserved it. Yet you have nothing to say about the topic, or the motive. Anyways, I like that post, you could learn alot about insults from that, especially after all those vain attempts at insult you kept throwing at me. Which by far outnumber these 4 posts... Troll...wow seriously.

4th one: I hate him, not much more to say about that. Evidence as to why is provided neatly stacked on top of that quote. I doubt that these instances in calling a dead man, achilles, and that douchebag justify you following me into all these threads and flamming me telling me im insulting everybody. But thats just my perspective, no doubt you feel as if your flamming means nothing, but everytime I slip it means I am such an evil person.

OFc it makes sense if someone copys a name from a dumb book it makes him dumb, in perspective. To put things in baby-terms for you: if you are civilized, does it make sense to whipe your ass with banana skins? No, it doesnt. So obviously someone who does whipe their ass with banana skins makes them uncivilized. Obviously someone who takes a name from a shity book makes then a retarded person. I love that analogy, perfect. Any my avatar, genius, is all over the internet, I actually got it from google, fish-brain.

And alot of people agree with me. Lke it says in that post you provided, two and a half thousand reviews and the shity book has 1 star, the worst rating ever.

Here you go again " you could have just left Jordan alone " man you keep bringing this up. Dont you read anything I even say? You could have equally left me alone yet you followed me to other threads and spammed there, and flammed me, and havent supported anything youve said since "vouch this". Nor even argued any of my solid points or main lines of reasoning. You just make stuff up as you go. It doesn't matter to you anymore that I don't like RJ, all that matters to you is that you dont want to accept that you are wrong.

And you respect other peoples opinions. Oh great, that definitely explains why youve been bullshitting insults for 3 days now. Much as I try, I cant even reason with you, you accept none of my evidence, none of my support, it was hard to even get you to calm down to this point. You dont think before you post. Like I said, Im taking all this effort to prove to you that the sky is blue, but you say "NO IT ISN"T YOU PESSIMISTIC BITCH QUIT BS THE SKY IS RED AND EVERYBODY SAYS SO"

Like I said a million times, you just ignore everything I have to say no matter how elaborate and throw repetitive quotes at me and keep telling me I insult everyone despite all the links, despite all the evidence to the contrary. You are the most annoying person I have ever talked to. Its annoying when im arguing against somebody who cant even appreciate the extense to which im grinding them into. I mean, you just throw shit at me constantly and ignore what I say to prove you wrong. You don't even care if the sky is blue (in perspective) since it doesn't serve your purpose. The sky is red, and thats all that matter to you.

I leave insults to the people I have no respect at all too. Funny how you fail to see this yet you say the same about yourself. You clearly didn't respect foxhound when he simply said you where taking things too personally. You flammed him. You are a simple liar man, you keep bringing up some sentimental humane aspect to hide behind in each of your posts, but your past posts always contradict you. Obviously you don't respect anybody who would even remotely hint that they disagree with you. This is just more proof your going to chuck out the window, meaningless to you. I feel like im trying to convert a Muslim shiite to a conservative christian - its impossible.

This post was edited by Kulith on Oct 22 2007 08:13pm
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