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Jun 17 2009 06:32pm
Quote (eriot @ Mon, Jun 8 2009, 04:01am)
ur the joke imo. its ok to find scholarly work difficult but thats ur prob, not a fault of our savior marx.


agreed. Marx is the most influential thinker i have read. The communist manifesto was written FOR the working class, although today it seems the average man can't read it, or find it boring, as most find all reading.

Try reading early marx (contribution to the critique of hegel, on the jewish question, to make the world philosophical, economic and philosophic manuscripts, thesis of furenbach [however you spell it])
then move into the manifesto once you are angry enough at capitalism and its dreadful existence
then you can get into reading Capital Vol. 1 to cap it all off with a deep understanding of capital
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Jul 3 2009 04:21am
Mises fucks marx's shit dry brah.

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Jul 3 2009 11:58am
I read it, and he wrote that assmuning a perfect world with no greed, no selfishness, and no corruptions. Obviously, the perfect world doesn't exist, so his theorys and ideas, would never work.
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I read it, and he wrote that assmuning a perfect world with no greed, no selfishness, and no corruptions.  Obviously, the perfect world doesn't exist, so his theorys and ideas, would never work.


Yup.

Capitalism is the best Socio-Economic system available at the moment in my opinion.

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Jul 8 2009 07:04pm
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Yup.

Capitalism is the best Socio-Economic system available at the moment in my opinion.


i have no problem with capitalism, its commercialism i dislike..
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Jul 9 2009 07:01am
Actually you're all full of shit.

Marx theories are some of the best theories ever written. Their only problem is that the application of those theories are nearly impossible to set up through man as we know him because we have always had a destructive and possesive instinct.

I'm an ultra-capitalist, ultra-liberal. I have extremely strong beliefs in globalisation etc.

BUT, I also have enough culture and knowledge to understand that our system is a middle-term system at the most. After that, I don't think anyone can foresee how much shit we're going to be in.

You cannot take Soviets and USSR as an example of why Marx's theories fail. USSR was never ever a communist regim. By studying it thoroughly you will realise that most of the assumtions made about USSR by historians are either biased or simply wrong.
USSR was a failure to "TRY" to adapt communism and communitarism to our society, which is simply utopic.

But saying Marx's book is boring and bullshit is simply showing how much of an ignorant fuck you are.
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I read it, and he wrote that assmuning a perfect world with no greed, no selfishness, and no corruptions.  Obviously, the perfect world doesn't exist, so his theorys and ideas, would never work.


i disagree

i think self interest is innate in man. i.e. your survival is subordinate to my own. But greed and selfishness etc. is all nurture in my opinion. With proper education and a more humanistic society we can eliminate those problems in my opinion.

And everyone needs to have a utopian society in mind, otherwise what are you striving for? History will continue to change every moment, hopefully in the forward direction. (i.e. from feudalism into capitalism being a positive movement). This particular movement was brought about largely due to John Locke.

So i guess my point is that, do you think when those people first read Locke they didn't think "ohh its too utopian to have a society structured around that system of individual freedoms, but sure it would be great" ( i don't intend to explain locke ) Of course they thought this, BUT there were those who acted on it and actually made changes, many dying for the cause. But as you can see, living in America like myself, how his philosophy has become the hegemonic ideology behind our system of government (with the addition of Aristotle).

Just because it seems to good to be true doesn't mean to surrender your views and accept this shitty life, mainly filling your existence with stimulus and distractions from actual issues or realizations. Keeping yourself in a distracted bubble of ignorance, unwilling to accept that history exist and all it takes is those willing to move it forward in a positive direction, is surely a failure of a life in my opinion. Sorry if i come off a bit brash, i am certainly open to comments etc.
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Would you rather have freedom and be an individual or have equality?

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Aug 1 2009 10:47am
Quote (eriot @ Thu, 11 Jun 2009, 15:49)
im a marxist critic. try to understand that you are attacking my "jesus" :D
communist manifesto is hard to understand. it is true. but its a style through form. he is being dialectical, and once you get used to his style of writing, you will see that he is very funny, while making very discursively chilling points. ur right, many of marx's assumptions are "gangbanged," but he wrote 150 years ago. he would have very diff things to say if he were alive today. capitalism was able to respond to his claims, establishments were able to supress revolutions, etc.
and about twilight.. ROFL
i think we can both recognize cultural trash. i've noticed from gc that you are intelligent. so i respond this way.
and btw.. how the hell are u getting away w/ that sig..


I agree. I think that beyond the sort of... sorry... dull writing style, the concepts behind the text offer an enriching perspective to anyone either intelligent enough or open minded enough to grasp it.
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Aug 2 2009 03:28pm
I have read it, many times, and I have to say it does not adequately communicates Marxist philosophy. This is a piece of propaganda, more importantly than anything else, and thus it does not contain the intellectual argument(s) you'd expect from Marx.

If you want to understand him better, look into Das Kapital.
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