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Dec 22 2010 09:07am
Quote (Antichrist- @ Dec 22 2010 04:22pm)
what? why? how is it going to be different from learning with prime lens other than being 100 time more complex and time consuming?


uhmmm well it´s as simple as that: I want a versatile walkaround lens for now that also provides a wide angle, because if I buy wide angle primes, I want either the 24mm 1.4 L or the 35mm 1.4 L.

I`m pretty sure I´ll buy the sigma 50mm 1.4 and the canon 85mm 1.8 USM for portraits as soon as my budget allows it again. Dont you think the 24-70mm is worth getting?
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Dec 22 2010 09:19am
if i had 5d, 50mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.8, i would rather take 17-40 or 16-35 instead of 24-70. what you should get is up to you and your needs, if you dont know what you need, imo you arent ready for this kind of stuff
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Dec 22 2010 09:30am
Quote (Antichrist- @ Dec 22 2010 05:19pm)
if i had 5d, 50mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.8, i would rather take 17-40 or 16-35 instead of 24-70. what you should get is up to you and your needs, if you dont know what you need, imo you arent ready for this kind of stuff


I´m pretty sure that the 24-70 would be used alot as a walkaround lens, and the primes for studio conditions.

My wishlist atm looks like this:

Canon 24-70mm f2.8 L USM
Canon 85mm f1.8
Canon 70-200mm f4 L IS USM
Sigma 50mm 1.4
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Dec 22 2010 09:59am
Quote (RecoveryChannel @ Dec 22 2010 11:30am)
I´m pretty sure that the 24-70 would be used alot as a walkaround lens, and the primes for studio conditions.

My wishlist atm looks like this:

Canon 24-70mm f2.8 L USM
Canon 85mm f1.8
Canon 70-200mm f4 L IS USM
Sigma 50mm 1.4


If you're getting a 85/1.8.. I wouldn't get the 50/1.4. Those two focal lengths are really close.

Go for either a 35/85 combo or a 24/50 combo IMO. Ofc throwing a 135L in there will be epic.
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Dec 22 2010 10:13am
Quote (Eek @ Dec 22 2010 05:59pm)
If you're getting a 85/1.8.. I wouldn't get the 50/1.4. Those two focal lengths are really close.

Go for either a 35/85 combo or a 24/50 combo IMO. Ofc throwing a 135L in there will be epic.


ah well it´s a fricken tough decision. I´m pretty stubborn about getting the 24-70mm 2.8 though..... dunno it just looks great to me. what about a 24-70mm + 85mm 1.8 or 100mm 2.0 + 135L combo?
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Dec 22 2010 10:16am
Quote (Eek @ 22 Dec 2010 18:59)
If you're getting a 85/1.8.. I wouldn't get the 50/1.4. Those two focal lengths are really close.


i dont think so

Quote (RecoveryChannel @ 22 Dec 2010 18:30)
I´m pretty sure that the 24-70 would be used alot as a walkaround lens, and the primes for studio conditions.


i would use the zoom lens in studio instead of primes, because you wont need low f-numbers in studio, so there is no need for primes since 24-70mm is so sharp enough when stopped down. for head portraits i would use 70-200mm in studio, and outside if the lens was 2.8, but id use 85mm 1.8 outside over 70-200 if the 70-200 was f/4.

This post was edited by Antichrist- on Dec 22 2010 10:17am
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i dont think so



i would use the zoom lens in studio instead of primes, because you wont need low f-numbers in studio, so there is no need for primes since 24-70mm is so sharp enough when stopped down. for head portraits i would use 70-200mm in studio, and outside if the lens was 2.8, but id use 85mm 1.8 outside over 70-200 if the 70-200 was f/4.


ya makes sense. I think I´ll just go with the 5D Mk II + 24-70mm 2.8 setup for start and then decide what I need next. Because afterall, I gotta get used to full format first before I can even say what exactly I´ll need.
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Dec 22 2010 10:25am
Quote (RecoveryChannel @ Dec 22 2010 12:13pm)
ah well it´s a fricken tough decision. I´m pretty stubborn about getting the 24-70mm 2.8 though..... dunno it just looks great to me. what about a 24-70mm + 85mm 1.8 or 100mm 2.0 + 135L combo?


I wouldn't do 100/135. I had these forever and i always want to sell one or the other just because they're so close in focal lengths.. only reason i haven't done that yet is because my 100 does macro.

Quote (Antichrist- @ Dec 22 2010 12:16pm)
i dont think so


I know there will be a difference especially indoors when you may not have the room to use a 85mm lens. But it's so close that i personally can't justify having two $400-$500 lens. Maybe a 85/1.8 and a nifty fifty.

Edit: I think i know where you're getting now, if you're shooting professionally.. it's good to have redundant gear?

Quote (Antichrist- @ Dec 22 2010 12:16pm)
i would use the zoom lens in studio instead of primes, because you wont need low f-numbers in studio, so there is no need for primes since 24-70mm is so sharp enough when stopped down. for head portraits i would use 70-200mm in studio, and outside if the lens was 2.8, but id use 85mm 1.8 outside over 70-200 if the 70-200 was f/4.


I agree with using the zoom in a studio condition stepped down. Unless you're doing special effects with low DoF.

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Dec 22 2010 10:27am
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I wouldn't do 100/135. I had these forever and i always want to sell one or the other just because they're so close in focal lengths.. only reason i haven't done that yet is because my 100 does macro.



I know there will be a difference especially indoors when you may not have the room to use a 85mm lens. But it's so close that i personally can't justify having two $400-$500 lens. Maybe a 85/1.8 and a nifty fifty.



I agree with using the zoom in a studio condition stepped down. Unless you're doing special effects with low DoF.


well I got the nifty fifty of course.
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Dec 22 2010 10:30am
learning what kind of dof you get with what focal length, distance to focused point and f-number is incredibly hard with a zoom lens with new sensor size(because the focal length changes constantly and you wont most likely pay attention to exact focal lengths), even if you would consider yourself good at it with old sensor size. this is why its better to learn with primes. are you good at judging the dof(, how fast the focus changes to bokeh and bokeh strength) from these factors with crop sensor(and i dont mean only wide open and 50mm lens)? and how do you feel that crop sensor is restricting this adjusting dof?
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