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May 27 2009 11:39am
Quote (MotherOfTwo @ Wed, May 27 2009, 01:32pm)
I think that although you can take something beautiful and make it even more beautiful, to be able to show your pictures unedted and have people say oooohhh and aaahhh, takes talent.

If you need to edit your pictures a LOT to get jaw droppers, then your talent will be more in computer than in photography...
I use the term computer cause I don't know exactly what photoshop and other means of editing do, never seen it and never used it.

Both take talent, but in different areas, and you need an artistic mind to get beautiful results on either way :)

I hope I'm making some sense here.....

Also guys, please keep your comments objective without attacking other users....


because its still photography.
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May 27 2009 11:40am
hahaha you guys are crazy.

Well I do change brightness and contrast in some of my photos and even use noise reduction for a few of my night photos but I am finding myself doing it less and less because I guess I just have become better at choosing the right settings when taking pictures ^^
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May 27 2009 11:42am
Quote (Veilside @ Wed, May 27 2009, 12:37pm)
Indeed, anyone can stumble upon a good shot every now and again, the true distinction of a great artist is being able to make everything look good.

You do need a certain amount of creativity to do art related.



Photography is both an art and a process. I think there's a clear distinction between photography and photo manipulation, which is the point I'm trying to make. Most of the time, given correct equipment and talent, you don't need to edit your photos whatsoever.
As I've said earlier, there are plenty of ways to make sure you get the result you want by using the right equipment, be it the right lens, filter, camera settings, lighting, etc.


You have to open your eyes and realize that in order to achieve something, you have to stray off the paved path
You probably follow a textbook religiously, thats one branch of photography
I'd say the word has a wider scope

no one here is right or wrong, theres just differences in opinions and preferences
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May 27 2009 11:43am
Quote (elslapnut @ Wed, May 27 2009, 01:42pm)
You have to open your eyes and realize that in order to achieve something, you have to stray off the paved path
You probably follow a textbook religiously, thats one branch of photography
I'd say the word has a wider scope

no one here is right or wrong, theres just differences in opinions and preferences


thats what ive been trying to say this whole time.

even though i have my own ways of doing things and thinking about things

I STILL TAKE TO ACCOUNT WHAT I DONT AGREE WITH AND ACCEPT THE REALITY OF IT AND DONT ACT SO FULL OF MYSELF.

also i usually only edit when i do portrait photography. :)
otherwise i just resize my normal stuff.

This post was edited by mew on May 27 2009 11:44am
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May 27 2009 11:47am
Quote (mew @ Wed, May 27 2009, 06:35pm)
i thought you said it takes hours to edit photos?
if people would spend hours thats being lazy?
even though you are wrong about that and it varies, probably because you have no clue.


how is it improper?
your own opinion.
also you cant say whats right or wrong. you dont make the rules. no one does.


thats just your own hypothesis.
a lot of people run into great ideas and results on accident.
whats the point in exploring and trying things if its just better to think it out or follow the plan?


It takes hours and a lot of skill to edit photos properly for editorial work, IE the magazines you mentioned earlier.
I believe if you're going to pretend to have any interest in photography you should try to get the pictures you want by photographing them that way, not by manipulating them. As I've mentioned before. Please give me one good reason as to why one should not try to get the best image they can out of their camera?
I don't make the rules, sure, but they exist nonetheless.


Quote (Nevereon @ Wed, May 27 2009, 06:35pm)

@Veil
That's true ofcourse, however it often saves time not doing it that way. It's also a lot harder as often when you take shots of wildlife, one shot may have great composition but contain fringing or weird hues and I don't see any point discarding an image like that when you could just spend a few minutes tweaking the .raw.

@Everyone
I'm gonna leave this discussion alone now x3 I'm not looking for a flamewar and excuse me if I somehow offended  someone. Imo to sum this topic up: Everybody has their own specific ways of photographing and their own interpretations of what photography really is. Although you may or may not agree with somebody elses views on it, you should respect them, as there's no denial in the fact that photography has evolved (and therefore been interpreted differently) now that digital is all the rave.


There are a few styles of photography that are partial exceptions, you do realise however how long professional wildlife photographers spend trying to get that one good photo? They don't just snap away for a couple hours, they spend days on the job.

You're right, everyone does have their own style of photography, which is a good thing, but the only one of us here who's a professional is Astragony, and I'm sure if you ask him he'll tell you how important correct preparation is when taking a photo. There's absolutely no excuse for lazyness.
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May 27 2009 11:49am
how'd this entire discussion happen, im kinda out of it
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May 27 2009 11:50am
[QUOTE=Veilside,Wed, May 27 2009, 01:47pm]It takes hours and a lot of skill to edit photos properly for editorial work, IE the magazines you mentioned earlier.
I believe if you're going to pretend to have any interest in photography you should try to get the pictures you want by photographing them that way, not by manipulating them. As I've mentioned before. Please give me one good reason as to why one should not try to get the best image they can out of their camera?
I don't make the rules, sure, but they exist nonetheless.


because were all doing editorial work for magazines.
most people like the style so they follow it, but they can make it as good as they want.


i dont have to pretend,if im passionate about something im not going to let someone like you put me down.

where did i say you shouldnt?
i just said that editing is a big part of photography.

they exist ONLY for people who agree with them or want to follow them.
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May 27 2009 11:52am
Go find any professional and ask them how much they edit their final pieces.
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May 27 2009 11:53am
Quote (Veilside @ Wed, May 27 2009, 12:52pm)
Go find any professional and ask them how much they edit their final pieces.


In this world there are leaders and followers
you sir, are a follower
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May 27 2009 11:55am
Quote (Veilside @ Wed, May 27 2009, 01:52pm)
Go find any professional and ask them how much they edit their final pieces.


there are many im sure.

youre just running into the ones that are as thick headed and stubborn as you.
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