Quote (Futurama @ Wed, Jan 7 2009, 06:21pm)

uh you get what you paid for. I have seen crappy used kit lenses for 100 or less but you usually get like unsharp images or distortions and all that too

EDIT: heh it's up to you what you want to buy I am just giving you a few suggestions. I suggested 50mm f/1,8 only because you seem only want to spend like 100 bucks on a lens and I believe the best lens you can get for that amount of money would be either the 18-55 kit lens or the 50mm

Quote (Antichrist- @ Wed, Jan 7 2009, 11:16pm)

50mm is good for portraits mostly, but you can shoot other things with it allso. Its definetly not a wide angle lens, for film camera 50mm is the "normal" lens, but cheap dslrs have 1.6x crop factor(the sensor is smaller), so its like it would be zoomed a little bit. Other of those is a nikon, other is a canon, if you got a canon camera you need a canon lens. Both of those are really good for its price and i suggest you get one since the kit lens wont let much light in, and f-1.8 gives you nice background blur. When you use the kit lens at wide angle with lowest f-number(3.5) you need to use 1/25th second shutterspeed(if you use the kit lens zoomed you can use 1/12th sec shutterspeed only) or 1600iso(that will make awfull noise on pic), but with f-1.8 you can use 1/100th shutterspeed or 1/25th shutterspeed and 400iso for same light. Allso the 50mm 1.8 is much sharper and better in eny ways than the kit lens. Reason 50mm 1.8 being so cheap is that its easy to build, but if you want for example 28mm 1.8 you need to pay like 600$ for it.

I suggest you get the kit lens and 50mm 1.8, its really good starter kit.

For some idea how long the 50mm is, this pic was taken so that i could bearly get my hand to minimum focus lenght, used f-2.8 on it.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/2549260990_e0480e67ec.jpg
Here i stood at bit over 2 meters from the model, used f-1.8
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/3150802715_c2c7006523_o.jpg
Both are taken with 400d and 50mm 1.8 when i still had them

Quote (Antichrist- @ Wed, Jan 7 2009, 11:25pm)

small f-number lets more light in and blurs the background, you can use it on higher f-numbers like eny other lenses, now i gotta run to work and cant write more, someone else can do that

Quote (Antichrist- @ Thu, 8 Jan 2009, 15:55)

Thats total bull shit that the 50mm 1.8 would be blurry, its really sharp lens for its price(and sharper than meny of the really expencive lenses), especially with higher f-numbers. There is more background blur when you focus at close distance, so you can shoot with f-1.8 for example some night street shots. I dont have meny pics with bigger f-number, because i didnt get the lens for that, but here is one with my old 400d and the 50 1,8 using f-5 , i used 400iso, thats why theres some noise and not as sharp as could be, allso i used 1/30th sec shutterspeed on this, so it could be even sharper.

Heres one crop from full sized pic
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2166/img3221eeclo4.jpg

And heres the same full pic resized smaller
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8491/img3221eeejt9.jpg

Allso it has no extra sharpening and that could make it even sharper.

Thats second lens isnt a telephoto, its just a normal zoom. If you want cheap and good telezoom i suggest 55-250mm is instead of that.