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Dec 9 2010 02:29am
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How is that a compliment? Haha...


LOL I knew this would lure you. How's your trip?
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Dec 9 2010 02:32am
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LOL I knew this would lure you. How's your trip?


Well most people go on vacation to relax and recover from the everyday nonsense. I'm going to need to recover from this vacation. Ha, I am exhausted from all the running around in Thailand. Yesterday we traveled all day back to the Philippines. I spent most of my day just chilling at my parent's place. It's been great though!
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Dec 9 2010 02:35am
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Well most people go on vacation to relax and recover from the everyday nonsense. I'm going to need to recover from this vacation. Ha, I am exhausted from all the running around in Thailand. Yesterday we traveled all day back to the Philippines. I spent most of my day just chilling at my parent's place. It's been great though!


My last day of school this semester is tomorrow, then I get 1 month off for winter break. 21 hours, where 15 are reading intensive + photo business = I need some time to play starcrack. I haven't even had time to shoot for the contest yet :\
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Dec 9 2010 02:41am
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My last day of school this semester is tomorrow, then I get 1 month off for winter break. 21 hours, where 15 are reading intensive + photo business = I need some time to play starcrack. I haven't even had time to shoot for the contest yet :\


I haven't done much shooting here... I shot quite a bit in Thailand, but that was mostly touristy shooting.
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Dec 9 2010 07:13am
Quote (Land0n @ Dec 8 2010 10:22pm)
By spot metering or using a light meter, aren't you doing exactly what the camera would be doing in AV mode? It's determining what it thinks is the proper exposure, albeit not as exact as a light meter. From there, you can just set the exposure bias to what you think would be correct for that scene.

Isn't it the same as using manual mode where your adjusting shutter speed and aperture to the in camera meter?


Yes, it's exactly the same thing, except it's faster. That was the point I was trying to make - thank you.
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Dec 14 2010 05:09pm
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The camera will automatically adjust the shutter speed to give what it thinks is the correct exposure.  If you want to change that, all you have to do is knock it up or down a few stops and it will adjust the shutter speed in order to do this.  You would be doing this exact thing in M mode, except it's a lot slower.  You get to the same result either way.


How is it slower if you are doing the same action of adjusting the exposure via a wheel? You do know that you can leave the aperture stationary while in M and only move the shutter and vice versa?

Quote (bergmann @ Dec 9 2010 12:10pm)
Simply untrue.  That you would say this suggests you may not know as much as you think you do about how your camera works.  If you understand how each mode works, you can expect which settings will be applied.  If you know what your end result needs to be, why would you use a slower method to get there?


I know exactly how my camera works, where everything is without looking and it's limitations. Even simply getting to the "shooting modes" with my camera isn't an obvious process. I wonder why canon designed it that way on a professional body.

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Yes.  Leaving your camera in M mode is a great way to miss split-second shots.  Pros know that the shot that sells might last for a split second and there's not time to fumble with settings.  Getting the shot is the most important thing; most of the rest you can adjust in post processing.


I simply can't except that. If you've missed a shot, blaming it on your exposure is basically blaming your skill. If you've missed a shot, you've missed it because you weren't prepared for it. If you are a pro, you know your lighting conditions at all times. It would be a very very very rare case where you miss a shot because of exposure. If I am on a job, my camera is always ready. From all the big dicks I've met in this industry, I can honestly say I've never seen one shoot in anything but manual.

What exactly do these pros you speak of shoot?



Quote (Land0n @ Dec 9 2010 01:22pm)
By spot metering or using a light meter, aren't you doing exactly what the camera would be doing in AV mode? It's determining what it thinks is the proper exposure, albeit not as exact as a light meter. From there, you can just set the exposure bias to what you think would be correct for that scene.

Isn't it the same as using manual mode where your adjusting shutter speed and aperture to the in camera meter?


A light meter is still the most accurate tool for measuring light and it will give you a correct incident reading of the light source.

Why would i set an "exposure bias" when I can just set the correct exposure in the first place?


Ps. I'm stubborn and came from a film background :P

This post was edited by lithfkn on Dec 14 2010 05:15pm
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Dec 14 2010 05:47pm
God damn it. The more i read this thread, the bigger of a noob i feel.

1. I still can't do manual on the fly.

2. I haven't memorized all the button placements on the camera. I blame the "light-on" button on the 5dII swapping places with the 50D.

3. I shoot Av majority of the time :D
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Dec 14 2010 06:32pm
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God damn it. The more i read this thread, the bigger of a noob i feel.

1. I still can't do manual on the fly.

2. I haven't memorized all the button placements on the camera. I blame the "light-on" button on the 5dII swapping places with the 50D.

3. I shoot Av majority of the time :D


Start messing with video :D
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Dec 14 2010 06:39pm
Quote (onepagememory @ Dec 14 2010 06:32pm)
Start messing with video :D


This is something I would really LOVE to have on my camera.
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Dec 14 2010 08:53pm
Quote (lithfkn @ Dec 14 2010 06:09pm)

A light meter is still the most accurate tool for measuring light and it will give you a correct incident reading of the light source.

Why would i set an "exposure bias" when I can just set the correct exposure in the first place?


Ps. I'm stubborn and came from a film background :P


My argument relies on using the in-camera light meter. If you're using an external light meter, then I would agree with you that there's no reason not to be shooting in manual.

The pros I speak of are ones that have written articles or books that I've read. I'm not saying everyone uses the same modes, and yes I was surprised to read that people leave their camera in P when walking around a city or something like that. The light will be changing and they're not going to be adjusting settings every few steps, so it makes sense I suppose. I still don't use P mode though.

I'm sure you know how your camera works, and I didn't mean by my comment that you didn't. What I meant was that if you truly do know what your camera is doing, whether or not you're in M or Av doesn't matter because you get to the same end result. Av just happens to be faster (assuming use of the in-camera light meter).
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