you guys are missing the big picture....long as you have a camera what ever it may be happy shootings.

yep. but also the focused area changes to bokeh faster when using longer focal length. i mean like if you change all other factors so that the focused area is equally wide on 50mm and 100mm, the area between total bokeh and what is in good focus will be smaller with 100mm lens than with 50mm, in other words focused area changes to bokeh faster.

you can see the difference on sensor size more clearly with medium format film. with 6x6 film 80mm gives the same fov than 50mm on full frame sensor(/35mm film) and if you frame it the same way, dof will be about same with medium format and 80mm lens using f/2.8 than with full frame and 50mm using f/1.8, but the dof will change, but with medium format the little out of focus area between bokeh and area in good focus is smaller. same thing shows between 1.6 crop, 1.3 crop and full frame, personally i like the 1.3 crop since it allows me to control the dof way better than 1.6 crop(and good enough for most of my needs), but when i shoot in low light i can use my 50mm 1.4 @ 1.4 and 1.6 without having too small dof.

i smell rage

I think a poll with the input of every canon, nikon, sony, etc user would probably be the most legit. Not this.

Ah now I get it lol.
If we look at this picture below taken with a camera with 1.6x crop sensor with a 35mm lens at f2.0. The very same picture taken with a full frame 35mm camera using a 56mm (35x1.6) lens at f3.2(?) would result in some of the slightly blurred part being just as blurred as the background or at least more blurred than in this picture.


Well that's great! especially for macro/closeup photography in which I sometimes had to do some weird crop to be able to remove some not enough blurred areas. No wonder ppl say that the difference between a FF camera and 1.6 crop is very noticeable.
It's too bad that Canon only have 1.3x crop sensors in those huge ass 1D series. Well if your 50mm lens creates too shallow DOF you can always get a 35mm or even 24mm lens

This post was edited by Futurama on Nov 3 2010 01:35am

this = win

Well a crappy camera/lens combo limit your creativity.
Let's just say that I wish I had a DSLR back when I had a cat because that point and shoot I had was really shitty for shooting a black cat in many situations
but of course knowledge is just as important then again most ppl learn more quickly if they had better gear feel free to disagree though

to a point but when you start out, top end gear is useless, a starter slr is sufficient to learns skills techniques and photography settings.

Of course, but it really depends on how fast you want or are able to learn and how serious you want to get and most likely sooner or later you would get in to this "gearfaggotry" stage
and spending thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars on some shiny "gosu" stuff It's a little bit like playing D2

This post was edited by Futurama on Nov 3 2010 11:57am

If you really want to learn technique and composition, get a fully manual film SLR and a single 50mm prime lens.