well the d40-60 are much ez'er to use because they tell you wat you are doing wrong, tell you what you are doing right. it shows you the aperture opening and closeing on the rear screen and it shows you the position of the main selector as you turn it on the main screen.

As to the features of the canon cameras -

400D: 11 custom functions
40D: 24 custom functions

Plus the 400D has its light weight and compact size going for it.
But the Nikon's have the teaching features going for them

The manual says what the right thing to do is with 40d. It took few hours to figure out how to use full manual mode when i first got the 400d, so screw those teaching things on cheap nikons. Having more custom functions doesent mean the camera would take longer time to learn how to use it

to the topic maker: get a canon eos 400D / rebel xti with a 50mm 1.8 lens.

in my opinion

This post was edited by doyleo on Jan 6 2009 02:09pm

lmao have to agree with you. It's much more fun learning on your own and gaining experience by shooting pictures than reading or learning from the menu



agree with you here. I have used it and I LOVE it and they are so freaking cheap now too. If I ever going to buy a second digital camera its going to the XTI

This post was edited by Futurama on Jan 6 2009 02:42pm

why get a 400D when there's also the possibility of getting the 450D with that price?

got mine yesterday - 530 alltogether with a 18-55mm lens

Thanks for all the help guys.
I just looked up the 400D on Canon's site and the "cons" said:


Are these things true?
And how much do 18-55mm lens cost?
Because I can only find it with the body.

lol what a load of horse crap, no offense
but none of those mentioned "cons" is true. I have used the 400D indoor and I have seen photos taken by it and they are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than any indoor shots I have seen taken by any point and shoot even with the crappy 18-55 lens. The smaller body compared to 40D/50D and pro cameras can be an advantage sometimes especially when you travel a lot or at a party besides it's not that small unless your hands are huge like those belonging to a caveman

about the cost. I have seen XTI/400D body being sold for 400 Canadian dollars and you can probably get the kit lens 50 bucks used or pay 100 dollars for a new 18-55 with IS

This post was edited by Futurama on Jan 7 2009 05:02am

in eu the canon 450D is the best buy because of the cashback offer

but in the us the xti is best because of the huge price differance

there isnt a lot of differences between the two cameras.
the 450D has a dedicated ISO button, live view, 12MP and a very slight improvement on image quality.

The kit lens is extremely expensive when bought alone £110 which is silly. You can either get it with the camera or get the body and 50mm. I got my 450d with the kit lens, and am now forced to go get the 50mm. that kit lens should only be used at wide angle imo because it lets little light in.

This post was edited by doyleo on Jan 7 2009 11:39am

So should I not buy a 18-55? And what do you mean by "with IS", insurance lol?



So if the kit lens isn't good what lens should I try to get?
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the Canon Rebel XTi 400D unless people say otherwise ;x

I found the 400D on B&H Photo/Video
Is this a bad price?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/457506-REG/Canon_1236B002_EOS_Digital_Rebel_XTi.html

And is it bad to buy a used camera?
It doesn't come with a lens though, and all the lenses I see are like $200 :\
Am I looking in the wrong place or something?
Can someone help me find a decent lens for cheaper?