Im saying ur wrong. If you looked at sample pics only they dont tell you nearly even half the truth, but i can see on those sample pics that 40d has way better image quality, in real life shooting you will see way more difference. Im not sure how much you have looked sample pics from different cameras, but a small difference on iq at sample pics doesent show at all, on those two difference is quite obious. You should look at 800 iso 100% crop samples taken in more darker place than studio with perfect light. With perfect light you can make a point and shoot look nearly as good as dslr, but in real life the difference is obious.

Pros agree that there is so little difference in the IQ between these two that it's almost un-noticable. The XSi will even outperform the 40d under certain circumstances, and the 40d will do the same. I already mentioned that the 40d is better in darkness since it can go to ISO3200.

OP: Don't overlook the XTi. It's a good camera, and cheaper than the XSi. Take a look at it.

I wonder if i got some super powers because i can see a clear difference. Imo it sounds like you dont know what ur talking about.

This was shot at 1250iso with 40d, i dont think 450d could even do that good iq with 800iso. Used noise reduction naturally, but as you can see didnt really lose the details. With 450d u cant even get 1250 iso, u only got 100 200 400 800 and 1600


This post was edited by Antichrist- on Nov 13 2008 04:36pm

Hello, I actually JUST bought my first DSLR.
Now, with Sony you are most likely not going to get as good of quality as you would with Canon or Nikon.

The reason being is Sony is a general electronic manufacturer, meaning they sell TV's, mp3's computers...and even dslrs.
This means they spend less time on each of the things, to have more than 1 thing to sell...
Now with Canon and Nikon, they are pretty much solely Camera manufactures. They spend all their time on Cameras, instead of
1/2 a day on a camera and the other 1/2 on a TV.

The Nikon D60 only has 3 auto-focus points (Meaning you only have a choice of focusing 3 parts of the picture)
The Nikon D60 also does NOT have a live view function.
The NikonD60 is using older Image Processors as well.


The Canon Rebel 450d/XSI (The one I JUST bought) Is actually not Entry-Level, but not Professional.
If you are VERY new to using any kind of camera, I would recommend Canon's rebel 1000D/XS. (It's also a cheap price.)

For me I would recommend the 450D!
The 450D using a Digic III Image Processor, which is the same kind that those $4000 Canon cameras use!
The 450D also has a 3", Live view function, which is perfect for some hard to get the shots.
Also, with a Canon you are getting a MUCH LARGER array of lenses of chose from!
The 450D ALSO has 9 POINT auto focus system, compared to Nikon D60's 3 point.

When you buy the XSI, you will find it very easy to understand and use with the very simple manuals included.
When you are just starting it may be a bit difficult, but when you get better it will also get better with it.
Meaning, since it is not a very beginner dslr, you will not be limited to taking beginner kind of shots!

Now, it's ultimately your decision, but I just bought the Rebel 450D and have produced some AMAZING picture with it!
+ With the larger array of lenses, you can get ever better images!!

If you want to see some sample images taken with the rebel XSI, check out:
http://flickr.com/groups/canon450duser/

well the thread starter isnt looking at 40D because its higher price but I do have to agree with ya.
just look at my handheld night photos and using a quite narrow aperture lens (4.0-5.6) I was forced to use high ISO, usually 800-1600
and the image quality was good to acceptable around ISO 1250 and quite ok at 1600 though action photos at low light or night was too much

@ mr BlackRose66: from what ive heard Sony bought Konica Mionlta which has been a manufacturer of slr and dslr for awhile

This post was edited by Futurama on Nov 13 2008 06:06pm

The 450d is the better camera for me, as i have said im not a pro, and even the 450d, really is too good for me i looked at both the photos and they look identical, except one is bigger and you know the saying bigger is better, so this proves the 450d is better.

about the focal points thing, i dunno anything about that, but since the canon has more, i guess its better. im not interested much in the live view. but nikon is a better sounding name than canon, and the nikon looks more durable than the canon, but you know how good at seeing differences in two identical photos i am....

another thing thats on my want list is one of them gorilla pods, coz u can attach ur slr to trees and stuff!


thanx everyone for contributing!

Canon sounds better than Nikon imo.

ya know, "I'M PULLING OUT THE FUCKING CANNON! GTFO THE WAY, OR ILL SHOOT YOU TOO!"
Canon=Shoots flaming cannon balls that sink ships...


Nikon, you can't sink ships with that shit.

lmao nice way to diss a good camera maker if you posted that in thephotoforum you would be flamed, really flamed

450d is a pricey entry camera. Get the XT or XTi. I still have my XT and love it.

well I think the problem with XT is that it doesnt have sensor dust reduction system