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Quote (Chantal7 @ Mar 21 2010 07:31pm)
Ah... interesting, I'll keep it in mind for when I shoot again. Sounds like a fun test, hehe. What exactly is pixel peeping?? I probably know what it is, but didn't know it had that name :lol:


you know where you take the pic and zoom in 100% to see what you can see in terms of clarity ... it's another completely overrated procedure that fanboys tend to partake in. You see most people who are published in magazines and in newspapers don't worry about making sure every pixel is in order because it truly doesn't matter to the finished product.

But it's kind of a way that someone can piss stronger and say their stuff is better because at 42378957235702% [pixel peeped] it looks better than yours at the same % ... rubbish.

edit: most people who view a photo for the sake of art do not look at it through a microscope or loup. They put it in a frame on a wall and stand back and look.

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you know where you take the pic and zoom in 100% to see what you can see in terms of clarity ... it's another completely overrated procedure that fanboys tend to partake in. You see most people who are published in magazines and in newspapers don't worry about making sure every pixel is in order because it truly doesn't matter to the finished product.

But it's kind of a way that someone can piss stronger and say their stuff is better because at 42378957235702% [pixel peeped] it looks better than yours at the same % ... rubbish.


Ohh, haha ... that's kind of lame, but oh well. I'm not that articulate about my photos :lol: As you said, it wouldn't even matter in the finished product.. like in that photo frame, magazine. That's what the photo is to be taken for... to stand back and look... not to disect, they should switch careers to a doc!

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Quote (Solarves @ Mar 22 2010 01:23pm)
Not getting into a piss war. Each have it's strengths and based on price points, some lenses by Carl Zeiss and Olympus blow the fucking socks off of Canon's or Nikons. ...

Again ... whatever thread done for me. Shouldn't generalize that C+N are it and nothing else can compete.... how much verifiable income did you make last year in photography? Not your employer .... you?

I have verifiable income from this field ... but that's not really my point. My point is ... besides being a gearhead... do you know HOW to use what you got and CAN you? And are you in a position to? Fuck the rest ... it's all trivial.

I can take a hammer made by Estwing, and I can take a generic made hammer and I can build a house. Yeah the estwing is better... but I am better because I can pick up ANY of them and get the same product. And I can get paid. That's all that matters ... not 1/264ths of a c*hair difference in this or that or whatever.


Yeah, Zeiss makes beautiful lenses, no question about it. It's just a shame Sony's bodys don't really cut it. I thought this was just about cameras bodies, not glass? :(

I'm sorry, but the income I generated last year is really no ones business but mine and the tax departments :(

I'm not a gear head at all. In fact I am probably the opposite of a gear head. I make a living off photography so I am well aware of how to use my gear and can quickly adapt to other gear which may be at my disposal.

The Estwing hammer will be more comfortable to use, heavier poundage, made of better materials and will last longer than a cheaper variety hammer. It's a poor analogy because there are so many benefits in using a better quality product. But then again, this all depends on what you are actually doing with photography (amatuer vs professional etc)
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Yeah, Zeiss makes beautiful lenses, no question about it. It's just a shame Sony's bodys don't really cut it. I thought this was just about cameras bodies, not glass? :(

I'm sorry, but the income I generated last year is really no ones business but mine and the tax departments :(

I'm not a gear head at all. In fact I am probably the opposite of a gear head. I make a living off photography so I am well aware of how to use my gear and can quickly adapt to other gear which may be at my disposal.

The Estwing hammer will be more comfortable to use, heavier poundage, made of better materials and will last longer than a cheaper variety hammer. It's a poor analogy because there are so many benefits in using a better quality product. But then again, this all depends on what you are actually doing with photography (amatuer vs professional etc)


Good now we are agreeing. But the analogy is missed a little ... the point is as a professional you can take whatever is there and make something from nothing. I bet I could pick up a rebel xti or sony a300 just as I KNOW I can pick up a D3S and churn out good photos.

But if you said, I want you to capture Mike Tyson in his prime, delivering the KO .... frame per frame ... I'd put down the XTI or A300 or whatever and I'd pick up a D3 or something comparable (sorry I am more familiar with Nikon than Canon) ... and I would choose something like the D3 because it's a tool that I know can get the job done.

I agree on the Sony bodys. I had 7Minolta lenses and refused to touch something with a sony brand on it ... I sold em all to a nice bloke in Vancouver B.C. ... but my friend still shoots it and the Zeiss lenses ARE indeed nice.

Just saying there are different tools and different means for coming about the same thing - the paycheck. A camera body is NOT the ONLY thing I would look at in terms of investing in a system. Body's come and go ... lenses will last a lifetime. Body's will always improve, lens technology doesn't change every 8 months.

Imagine a world where there was nothing but Budweiser or Miller (Canon or Nikon ... except both C+N >Bud /Miller) ... it'd be horrible if I had to just drink that. Hell I want choices. But in the end, if I have enough, it equates to the same thing. I just prefer my flavors.

Each to his own right?

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Good now we are agreeing. But the analogy is missed a little ... the point is as a professional you can take whatever is there and make something from nothing. I bet I could pick up a rebel xti or sony a300 just as I KNOW I can pick up a D3S and churn out good photos.

But if you said, I want you to capture Mike Tyson in his prime, delivering the KO  .... frame per frame ... I'd put down the XTI or A300 or whatever and I'd pick up a D3 or something comparable (sorry I am more familiar with Nikon than Canon) ... and I would choose something like the D3 because it's a tool that I know can get the job done.

I agree on the Sony bodys. I had 7Minolta lenses and refused to touch something with a sony brand on it ... I sold em all to a nice bloke in Vancouver B.C. ... but my friend still shoots it and the Zeiss lenses ARE indeed nice.

Just saying there are different tools and different means for coming about the same thing - the paycheck. A camera body is NOT the ONLY thing I would look at in terms of investing in a system. Body's come and go ... lenses will last a lifetime. Body's will always improve, lens technology doesn't change every 8 months.

Imagine a world where there was nothing but Budweiser or Miller (Canon or Nikon ... except both C+N >Bud /Miller) ... it'd be horrible if I had to just drink that. Hell I want choices. But in the end, if I have enough, it equates to the same thing. I just prefer my flavors.

Each to his own right?


We never really disagreed, we were just confused about what we were both saying :P

In general, yes, if I picked up an XTI or whatever I could achieve "sell-able" results to a client. But I know my creativeness is compromised by its crop sensor and kit lenses (f3.5 etc). Hell, the contract I am currently shooting is being compromised by my 5d and L glass. That's why I've decided to shoot it on 4x5 film.

You can put Zeiss lenses on Nikon's and Canons btw <3

Choices are great but in the realm of 35mm DSLRs, only two companies, N + C, are making anything worth investing money in :(

Quote (Solarves @ Mar 21 2010 01:17pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js7RzcdDcMs

This might make someone laugh. Made me laugh.


Btw this made me laugh. Although I do get very paranoid with my CF cards after a shoot, just in case :(

This post was edited by lithfkn on Mar 21 2010 10:05pm
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Quote (Solarves @ Mar 22 2010 01:35pm)
you know where you take the pic and zoom in 100% to see what you can see in terms of clarity ... it's another completely overrated procedure that fanboys tend to partake in. You see most people who are published in magazines and in newspapers don't worry about making sure every pixel is in order because it truly doesn't matter to the finished product.

But it's kind of a way that someone can piss stronger and say their stuff is better because at 42378957235702% [pixel peeped] it looks better than yours at the same % ... rubbish.

edit: most people who view a photo for the sake of art do not look at it through a microscope or loup. They put it in a frame on a wall and stand back and look.


Pixel peeping is pretty important for commercial advertising :(
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