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Nov 3 2009 04:39pm
when you shoot at a wedding do you use a flash?
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Nov 3 2009 04:41pm
Quote (onepagememory @ Nov 3 2009 11:35pm)
Lol. I'm done arguing with you. You're not a woman, you're probably not married, and a 50 page photo book is only enough for men. By the way, I'll post a pic you won't cry about when I get home. That'll shut you your ignorance up. Just keep shooting trees ok?


Trees? No, really, I'd love to see a good photo, that way I wouldn't be so disgusted with you thinking you're good enough to actually demand money for shooting people's wedding's.
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Nov 3 2009 07:46pm
Quote (doyleo @ Nov 3 2009 05:39pm)
when you shoot at a wedding do you use a flash?


I use one when I shoot trees.....
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Nov 3 2009 08:37pm
Onepagememory...from what I've seen from a few of your other posts, I had assumed that you were doing free work for friends/family/etc.
The quality of images and the mistakes made have no place in professional event photography.

Taking pictures of leaves and shrubs might not be the same as doing weddings and events, but it teaches you the basics of photography...which it seems that you have forgotten or never learned.

I've been shooting weddings for 2 years now, so I am by no means a professional. I do not charge professional rates because I feel that I have a lot of room for improvement. I am currently working with the Milwaukee Bucks and shooting their home basketball games, so don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to shooting events.

Weddings demand a lot out of your gear. You'll need a camera that can handle high ISO well, a low light zoom lens (Which start at about $2,000) and several flashes for the reception, etc. Aside from gear and $ amounts, they also require that you have the experience to get those killer shots that every bride wants. You can take 2000 shots and give them all to the bride and groom...and they'll skim through it for the really good ones that they've paid you for. Anyone can show up to wedding, take tons of pictures of everything and leave.
What you're getting paid for are the "Oh wow... I want this picture framed in my living room" type of shots that all brides expect.

I don't always agree with Veilside's style or subject choice, but from what I've seen from you - and what I've seen from Veilside, I'd say he is the clear winner here.
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Nov 4 2009 11:13am
Quote (WarCow @ Nov 3 2009 07:37pm)
Onepagememory...from what I've seen from a few of your other posts, I had assumed that you were doing free work for friends/family/etc.
The quality of images and the mistakes made have no place in professional event photography.

Taking pictures of leaves and shrubs might not be the same as doing weddings and events, but it teaches you the basics of photography...which it seems that you have forgotten or never learned.

I've been shooting weddings for 2 years now, so I am by no means a professional. I do not charge professional rates because I feel that I have a lot of room for improvement. I am currently working with the Milwaukee Bucks and shooting their home basketball games, so don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to shooting events.

Weddings demand a lot out of your gear. You'll need a camera that can handle high ISO well, a low light zoom lens (Which start at about $2,000) and several flashes for the reception, etc. Aside from gear and $ amounts, they also require that you have the experience to get those killer shots that every bride wants. You can take 2000 shots and give them all to the bride and groom...and they'll skim through it for the really good ones that they've paid you for. Anyone can show up to wedding, take tons of pictures of everything and leave.
What you're getting paid for are the "Oh wow... I want this picture framed in my living room" type of shots that all brides expect.

I don't always agree with Veilside's style or subject choice, but from what I've seen from you - and what I've seen from Veilside, I'd say he is the clear winner here.



On the bold: Try running a business with these parameters and hope to have more than six events a year. I understand the necessity of quality. However, you must work according to the customer's budget. Its almost impossible to make a living with upper class only. There just aren't enough weddings, even at 10k/event. My events average 300-500 images. Maybe you'll like these engagement shots better. 100% to the bride-to-be's desire, which is the most essential part of the photography business. Not everyone wants BRIDES magazine images because they can't pay for them. Took em recently with a Canon EOS-1D Mark III - properties deleted just to piss a few people off :





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Nov 4 2009 11:29am
Nice blown highlights on the first shot. Nice motion blur on the second, I also really like the distracting stuff on the left, it just looks like you couldn't be fucked to move to get a nice clear frame.
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Quote (Veilside @ Nov 4 2009 10:29am)
Nice blown highlights on the first shot. Nice motion blur on the second, I also really like the distracting stuff on the left, it just looks like you couldn't be fucked to move to get a nice clear frame.


Lol. "desert theme" wouldn't be possible without the "distracting stuff on the left." By the way, please review your books on low-light scenery images with PEOPLE in them. These are not mannequins. Enjoy your comments. I will enjoy my 2k.

This post was edited by onepagememory on Nov 4 2009 12:53pm
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Quote (onepagememory @ Nov 4 2009 07:52pm)
Lol. "desert theme" wouldn't be possible without the "distracting stuff on the left." By the way, please review your books on low-light scenery images with PEOPLE in them. These are not mannequins. Enjoy your comments. I will enjoy my 2k.


Desert theme? I'd maybe have gotten that if you'd included you know, a cactus or something but there's nothing there that suggests that they're in a desert. It just looks like a standard sunset shot, with added silhouette and messy stuff on the left of the frame. Maybe if you'd been sensible enough to use fill flash you might have gotten a good photo.
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Nov 4 2009 02:10pm
Quote (Veilside @ Nov 4 2009 12:13pm)
Desert theme? I'd maybe have gotten that if you'd included you know, a cactus or something but there's nothing there that suggests that they're in a desert. It just looks like a standard sunset shot, with added silhouette and messy stuff on the left of the frame. Maybe if you'd been sensible enough to use fill flash you might have gotten a good photo.


Sir, if a customer requests a "romantic desert sunset with our sillouhette," I will give her that. Since you don't live on the desert, you obviously don't know that, surprise surprise, this plant is very common in the west texas region. Furthermore, she chose this image over one without the plants because it came closer to what she wanted.

She didn't want BRIDES Magazine pictures. "They are too fake." ]

At any rate, I'm done pretending to rage. I just want everyone to know that wedding photography is a good way to get better equipment and to make cash. Target low-income wedding couples at first. They understand that the photography provided isn't going to be the best in quality. They understand the level of skill you may have. They simply want to be able to capture their special moments so they can treasure them forever. As long as you get the right shots, add a level of creativity, and work with them, they'll be willing to pay what you charge.
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Quote (onepagememory @ Nov 3 2009 02:26pm)
There is no noise in the RAW files of these images. Neither in the high-quality jpeg conversion. Maybe their 500k compression shows noise.
Other than the unfocused diamond rings, I don't see any problems with focus. You must also keep in mind that its dark 1/2 the time when these images are taken. Its not the same as taking 3 hours to shoot a bug or following a cat around to get a good shot. There are other things to shoot :)


Yeah that's for sure possible.... but I didn't know that sorry. Yes, I didn't say all of the focus was wrong, I meant that it was unfocused on the diamond rings.

Also for all the explanations here it would be easier to critique them if you gave an explanation as to if you shot in the dark or what not. I said what I thought but I guess they are better in RAW. I said that the focus was off and you say that you shot them in the dark. Yes, I understand that it's hard doing that in the dark no one is perfect. Just trying to make you understand my point of view. Maybe bring some lights with ya next time? ;)



As to all the people arguing in here, there was already a verbal warning to it, so just to warn you, you might get a little warn if this continues.


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Quote (NaRa @ 3 Nov 2009 00:06)
Im about to go to university and dont have the time to go through all of it ( yet )
or check for what might have happened before especially between the 2 of you...

Be sure that i will do so and although i do not have right to warn or suspend people myself,
there are enough people who can do it for me if needed and we will take appropriate actions
to maintain the reputation and atmosphere this place is know for in the past.

It looks like we need to protect you from yourself a little because with this kind of behaviour
you are destroying a lot of what you worked so hard for in the past and you make people feel uncomfortable here.


Just on some general remark to the situation i found here when i woke up:

Im quite disappointed whats going on here lately and about the behaviour in some cases.
This subforum always was a very special place and i enjoyed going here
because of the special people and their very mature and friendly behaviour.

This is what separated this place from the every day spaming, flaming and such that happens in too many other forums.

Im not an expert of photography myself, but i love to troll through this forum
to look at all the fantastic works and give some feedback for the artists if i feel able to.
It was always a very family like atmosphere and i want this to remain in the future.

The function of a critique is to give a feedback to the artists so that he can improve him/herself and the works.
To give some encouragement and a little commendation for the hard work.

Naturally, it can not always be positive, sometimes it is indeed appropriate to give suggestions what might have been better.
If this is right or wrong is another question. Of course opinions can be manifold or contradictory, thats just a matter of fact.

Nevertheless, especially these kinds of discussions are vital for improvement
and exactly this can help for the future of everyones photography career.
Everyone should be mature enough to take good feedback for what it is and to write a feedback properly not attack each other.
This is what little kids do because they cant deal with it and need a protection shield.
We are all adults or on the way to be adults. Therefore act like that.

Not everyone feels able to give a professional feedback, sometimes its just a little "well done".
Important is the "how" you deliver your message and also how you write the feedback.
Being rude or attack someone wont help. If you cant manage this, dont bother posting at all.

If something or someone provokes you and you see things different,
you can talk about it together or get a third person to mediate.

And if you see no basis to come together on a point, just leave each other and go different ways...
One can not get along with everyone in this world, but this doesnt give you the right to smash each others heads.

If you decide to argue just make sure to take a deep breath before you vent something out
and to treat the other with respect they deserve and how you yourself would like to be treated.

Im tired to see senseless spam and flames at this place...
Take this as my last verbal warning to all involved people to stop it before we will stop it. Thanks...


This post was edited by chantal7 on Nov 4 2009 02:22pm
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