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Jun 15 2011 11:09am
Quote (succulentdesire @ 14 Jun 2011 21:13)
the size of your sensor.

a full frame sensor gives you better iq than a cropped one. most lower end cameras have a cropped sensor. 1.6x for canon and 1.5x for nikon and I don't know about the other brands lol the bigger your sensor the more MP as well as the less chance of hot pixel noise

I'm waiting for eek to come and blow everyone away with his awesome explanations. I may be wrong


mp has nothing to do with it. a 5d c has 10 mp and a 5dii has 24 mp. you can get a 12 mp digital compact camera but it has the sensor size of a pin.


sensor size directly effect Iq

heres a copy and paste from adorama.com:

Here’s what happens when your camera has a really tiny sensor with a high pixel count:

1. The individual pixels have to be made smaller. A sensor is made up of many tiny receptors, called pixels, which record light. The larger these sensors are, the more sensitive to light they are, and that benefits image quality. A “pixel pitch” of 6-8 microns is very good. But a typical compact camera’s pixel pitch is going to be less than 2 microns. In some cases, much less.

2. Deviated septums. On a larger sensor, each pixel is separated by a septum to prevent light from falling off from one pixel to its neighbor. Smaller sensors lack these septums and as a result, light spills across sensors, causing a kind of internal flare and reducing overall image contrast.

3. Making a lot of noise. To make up for the small pixel size, camera makers boost the gain in trying to capture a usable image, but this results in what we call digital noise, on photos especially in low light or shadowy areas. The graininess gets worse as ISO is increased.


also heres sensor size per camera:



Another thing to consider is that on a cropped body your lens has a different feild of view because of the sensor size. if you want explanations pm me or ask here

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Jun 15 2011 11:34am
Quote (SUPACALIFRAGILISTICEXPALIDOCIOUS @ Jun 15 2011 11:09am)
mp has nothing to do with it. a 5d c has 10 mp and a 5dii has 24 mp. you can get a 12 mp digital compact camera but it has the sensor size of a pin.


sensor size directly effect Iq

heres a copy and paste from adorama.com:

Here’s what happens when your camera has a really tiny sensor with a high pixel count:

1.    The individual pixels have to be made smaller. A sensor is made up of many tiny receptors, called pixels, which record light. The larger these sensors are, the more sensitive to light they are, and that benefits image quality. A “pixel pitch” of 6-8 microns is very good. But a typical compact camera’s pixel pitch is going to be less than 2 microns. In some cases, much less.

2.    Deviated septums. On a larger sensor, each pixel is separated by a septum to prevent light from falling off from one pixel to its neighbor. Smaller sensors lack these septums and as a result, light spills across sensors, causing a kind of internal flare and reducing overall image contrast.

3.    Making a lot of noise. To make up for the small pixel size, camera makers boost the gain in trying to capture a usable image, but this results in what we call digital noise, on photos especially in low light or shadowy areas. The graininess gets worse as ISO is increased.


also heres sensor size per camera:
http://www.adorama.com/alc/files/a4b3416afb9cdb1da62c21fd2ddd9d5b.jpg


Another thing to consider is that on a cropped body your lens has a different feild of view because of the sensor size. if you want explanations pm me or ask here


in other words mp does have to do with it. bigger your sensor more mp you can have without damaging iq or getting hot pixel noise. if you have too many mp in a small sensor you're in trouble. unless I understood wrong?
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Jun 15 2011 11:52am
Quote (succulentdesire @ 15 Jun 2011 17:34)
in other words mp does have to do with it. bigger your sensor more mp you can have without damaging iq or getting hot pixel noise. if you have too many mp in a small sensor you're in trouble. unless I understood wrong?


kind of but not really, bigger sensors mean more space per pixel regardless of how many pixels there are. Eg :

12mp cropped
12mp full frame

the full frame has better iq - therefore the mp is IRRELEVANT - the sensor is the most important factor for iq - in this case


the reason mp does not matter when buying a new camera is because it is all relative to the cameras sensor.
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Jun 15 2011 01:15pm
understood ^_^ thanks for clearing that up
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Jun 15 2011 02:07pm
Being semi positive you have a Nikon body... They have a 35 1.8 DX lens for cropper bodies that runs 200. Is look into that... Pretty sure you can't beat that...
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Jun 15 2011 04:34pm
Quote (CitizenScuba @ Jun 15 2011 11:18am)
What camera body do you have again? Like a D3100 or a D5000 right? So you have a cropper. I personally wouldn't get a 35mm FX format lens for a cropper body. 35mm is a sexy range, but on a cropper body it turns into more of a 50 and that isn't really wide... I'd get the 24 personally.


Edit: And keep in mind, wide angles are NOT used to fit as much as you can into a photo. They are for getting physically closer to your subject matter. So anything wider than 24-35mm isn't necessary for landscape photography.


ive got a d90
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Jun 15 2011 06:23pm
Quote (CitizenScuba @ Jun 15 2011 01:07pm)
Being semi positive you have a Nikon body... They have a 35 1.8 DX lens for cropper bodies that runs 200. Is look into that... Pretty sure you can't beat that...


You definitely can. It's called Canon.
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Jun 16 2011 12:11pm
Quote (onepagememory @ Jun 15 2011 05:23pm)
You definitely can. It's called Canon.


Lol. Shut up. NN your Canon rants/ conspiracies...



Quote (TokenWhite @ Jun 15 2011 03:34pm)
ive got a d90


Go for the Nikon 35mm 1.8.

This post was edited by CitizenScuba on Jun 16 2011 12:13pm
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Jun 16 2011 12:12pm
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Jun 17 2011 11:14am
Quote (TheBlackRose66 @ 16 Jun 2011 18:12)
10-20


i agree if u don't want to upgrade!
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