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Apr 16 2009 05:26am
Wide opening beats IS all the time IMO. That's why i don't understand why someone would buy the 70-200 f/4 IS over the 70-200 f/2.8
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Apr 16 2009 07:29am
Quote (doyleo @ Thu, 16 Apr 2009, 13:26)
Wide opening beats IS all the time IMO. That's why i don't understand why someone would buy the 70-200 f/4 IS over the 70-200 f/2.8


When you use 200mm lens, you should use atleast 1/200 sec shutterspeed if no is, if you use is you can use about 3 stops slower shutterspeed, thats around 1/50of sec. If you use 1/50 sec with f-4, its the same light as 1/100 with f-2.8, but since you can use so slow shutterspeed without is, you get only half of the light(or need to use double iso with non is 2.8 version). Allso at 200mm f-2.8 has really shallow dept of field, so on meny situations you should stop it down a bit. Naturally 1/50sec doesent stop motion as good as 1/200 sec, but if some bird isnt moving 1/50 is enough for it, in those cases f-4 with is > f-2.8 without is, bt if you shoot sports for example, you dont do shit with is, you just need to stop the motion then 2.8 is better.
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Quote (Antichrist- @ Thu, Apr 16 2009, 02:29pm)
When you use 200mm lens, you should use atleast 1/200 sec shutterspeed if no is, if you use is you can use about 3 stops slower shutterspeed, thats around 1/50of sec. If you use 1/50 sec with f-4, its the same light as 1/100 with f-2.8, but since you can use so slow shutterspeed without is, you get only half of the light(or need to use double iso with non is 2.8 version). Allso at 200mm f-2.8 has really shallow dept of field, so on meny situations you should stop it down a bit. Naturally 1/50sec doesent stop motion as good as 1/200 sec, but if some bird isnt moving 1/50 is enough for it, in those cases f-4 with is > f-2.8 without is, bt if you shoot sports for example, you dont do shit with is, you just need to stop the motion then 2.8 is better.


In what situations would you want to handhold a shutterspeed of <1/200 @ 200mm? A general rule is that you should use a shutterspeed of above 1/60 for anything that moves. Ideally over 1/100. If you were shooting portraits u'd want the 2.8 for bokeh. The only thing i can think the IS f/4 would be better for is shooting something perfectly still (like a landscape) on a non windy darkish day and i wouldn't use 200mm to shoot a landscape!!

I'm probably wrong so correct me :P
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Apr 16 2009 08:02am
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In what situations would you want to handhold a shutterspeed of <1/200 @ 200mm? A general rule is that you should use a shutterspeed of above 1/60 for anything that moves. Ideally over 1/100. If you were shooting portraits u'd want the 2.8 for bokeh. The only thing i can think the IS f/4 would be better for is shooting something perfectly still (like a landscape) on a non windy darkish day and i wouldn't use 200mm to shoot a landscape!!

I'm probably wrong so correct me :P


There is allso rule that you should use atleast same shutterspeed or bit faster than your focal lenght is to eliminate hand shake, for 50mm it would be 1/50sec and 200mm 1/200sec ;)
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Quote (Antichrist- @ Thu, Apr 16 2009, 03:02pm)
There is allso rule that you should use atleast same shutterspeed or bit faster than your focal lenght is to eliminate hand shake, for 50mm it would be 1/50sec and 200mm 1/200sec ;)


awsome, ill keep that one in mind :)
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awsome, ill keep that one in mind :)


Yea, but thats not an absolute fact that you need to have that shutterspeed, sometimes you manage to hold hands still easier and sometimes your hands shake more if you take the pic in unconfortable situation or something.
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Apr 16 2009 08:25am
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Yea, but thats not an absolute fact that you need to have that shutterspeed, sometimes you manage to hold hands still easier and sometimes your hands shake more if you take the pic in unconfortable situation or something.


oh yeh

have any other tips like that?
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Apr 16 2009 08:38am
Quote (doyleo @ Thu, 16 Apr 2009, 16:25)
oh yeh

have any other tips like that?


dunno what u know and what u dont ^_^
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Apr 16 2009 08:46am
Quote (Antichrist- @ Thu, Apr 16 2009, 03:38pm)
dunno what u know and what u dont ^_^


dunno much about how to use this 85mm lens its much more difficult than I thought. What sort of things other than portraits and sports is 85mm (136) good at shooting?
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Apr 16 2009 10:11am
The only lens I will probably get with IS is probably a zoom/telephoto - I am sure they make those with IS ? :huh:
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