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Feb 19 2009 07:43am
Quote (Espen @ Thu, Feb 19 2009, 02:39pm)
Hm, I guess you're talking about chewing tobacco, which is a very different "drug". It's never been proved that snus is the reason of any cancer, whatsoever. If you can find a source, Iæll believe it, but the way things are with tobacco/snus in Norway, regular cigarettes are not preferred, in any way.


Nah im talking about the same stuff as that. Cheving tobacco isnt used here at all, i never even seen or heard of someone using it.

First site from googleing "snus causes cancer"
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2622&date=20051205

Imo it sounds really really weird that you dont know that. In finland thats as known fact as that tobacco causes cancer..

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Feb 19 2009 07:51am
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Nah im talking about the same stuff as that. Cheving tobacco isnt used here at all, i never even seen or heard of someone using it.

First site from googleing "snus causes cancer"
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2622&date=20051205

Imo it sounds really really weird that you dont know that. In finland thats as known fact as that tobacco causes cancer..


That's just because of a over-speculative government focusing on bs propaganda. On cigarette packages it's the warning "smoking kills" etc, on snus it's "may be addicitve, or may be a danger of health".
But since they don't have any specimens actually getting it, or atleast as they can prove is of snus, they can't write "danger of health", they need to put the "may" there. There are many articles covering the subject, but none have actual human specimens backing it up.

I'm not in any way judging you, or doubting what you've been told, but how can you seriously believe it's more dangerous than cigarettes?

Cigarettes kill several million people every single day, while snus have never killed anyone. You can't easiily get cancer, that is just some rumour your friends have todl you, or your prop. chasing government commercials.
It's true that it damages your teeth and gum. It "etches" your gum if you do it regularly over a long period of timee. One of my best friends father has been using it for about 25 years, and he's lost about 5 centimeters on each side of the nose. Never seen anything relating to it reaching the eyes though, since there are significant bonestructure embolishing it.

It is dangerous, but nowhere near the damages of tobacco(as in cigarettes).

One article with no source criticism can't rule over multiple millions of fatal outcomes.

e: http://www.thelocal.se/7271/20070511/

same source.

e2: Gotta reach my bus now, but we can debate some more when I get home, if your up for it wink.gif

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Feb 19 2009 08:09am
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That's just because of a over-speculative government focusing on bs propaganda. On  cigarette packages it's the warning "smoking kills" etc, on snus it's "may be addicitve, or may be a danger of health".
But since they don't have any specimens actually getting it, or atleast as they can prove is of snus, they can't write "danger of health", they need to put the "may" there.  There are many articles covering the subject, but none have actual human specimens backing it up.

I'm not in any way judguingm but how can you seriously believe itæs more dangerous than cigarettes?

Cigarettes kill several million people every single day, while snus have never killed anyone. You can't easiily get cancer, that is just some rumour your friends have todl you, or your prop. chasing government commercials.
It's true that it damages your teeth and gum. It "etches" your gum if you do it regularly over a long period of timee. One of my best friends father has been using it for about 25 years, and he's lost about 5 centimeters on each side of the nose. Never seen anything relating to it reaching the eyes though, since there are significant bonestructure embolishing it.

It is dangerous, but nowhere near the damages of tobacco(as in cigarettes).

One article with no source criticism can't rule over multiple millions of fatal outcomes.


Are you sure that this "its not dangerous" thing isnt just some commercial stuff like they had on tobacco earlier? they actually advertised that tobacco is good for your health when they first stated advertising it. Somehow i doubt that no one has ever died of cancer caused by snus. The reason people dont die on that so much because its no where near as widely used as tobacco. They cant prove its dangers, because there havent been enough research on it, because not meny people use it world wide. And for goverment to put some regulations on some stuff as widely used in some country as snus needs really water proof facts about it, with no huge research where they follow users for like 10+ years you cant get that.

Naturally tobacco companies do what ever they can(and they can do much) to prevent of banning or getting a bad reputation on some products of theyrs.

But i dont really care what people do with theyr own bodies, even if they inject heroin, if they dont harm others. But i think they should be educated what snus, tobacco, alcohol or heroin does to theyr bodies and i find it really disturbing that they dont teach that stuff in school there. I dont mind you using snus, but i dont like people being into denial like that, but belive what you want, i dont think you will change your mind what ever i say about it. But i advice to get some real info about what it CAN do to you.

Iv seen people who are 70+ years old and have been smoking since they were kids and theyr not dead yet. Im saying this because not everyone gets cancer or die on same thing as someone else does.

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There has been meny reseaches like that on tobacco allso, in some it was dangerous and in some it wasnt. Somehow i think tobaccom companies had something to do with those researches where it wasnt. Naturally those were from 50's or so, because now its a known fact that tobacco isnt good for your health.

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Feb 19 2009 09:12am
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Are you sure that this "its not dangerous" thing isnt just some commercial stuff like they had on tobacco earlier? they actually advertised that tobacco is good for your health when they first stated advertising it. Somehow i doubt that no one has ever died of cancer caused by snus. The reason people dont die on that so much because its no where near as widely used as tobacco. They cant prove its dangers, because there havent been enough research on it, because not meny people use it world wide. And for goverment to put some regulations on some stuff as widely used in some country as snus needs really water proof facts about it, with no huge research where they follow users for like 10+ years you cant get that.

Naturally tobacco companies do what ever they can(and they can do much) to prevent of banning or getting a bad reputation on some products of theyrs.

But i dont really care what people do with theyr own bodies, even if they inject heroin, if they dont harm others. But i think they should be educated what snus, tobacco, alcohol or heroin does to theyr bodies and i find it really disturbing that they dont teach that stuff in school there. I dont mind you using snus, but i dont like people being into denial like that, but belive what you want, i dont think you will change your mind what ever i say about it. But i advice to get some real info about what it CAN do to you.

Iv seen people who are 70+ years old and have been smoking since they were kids and theyr not dead yet. Im saying this because not everyone gets cancer or die on same thing as someone else does.

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There has been meny reseaches like that on tobacco allso, in some it was dangerous and in some it wasnt. Somehow i think tobaccom companies had something to do with those researches where it wasnt. Naturally those were from 50's or so, because now its a known fact that tobacco isnt good for your health.



Ofcourse I know it's dangerous, I never said anything else. I just though it was silly that you stated it's downsides as more excessive than cigarettes. I am aware of it's potential harm, but It's not as you say, that you can easily get cancer and be in need of a jaw-removal (...). With that said, I should inform you that I don't use it. I had a period with it, but I quit it, since It's both seriously damaging to your personal hygiene, not mentioning it looks somewhat retarded smile.gif

Ofcourse the developers try to make everyone believe it's not harmful, but still, saying that It's worse than cigarettes made me chuckle, and I thought I'd just ask why.
But with that handled. I know they are both harmful, just not as excessive as you've been told.


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Feb 19 2009 09:15am
I dont think you get cancer or eny other shit easilly from tobacco, alcohol, snus, amfetamine or eny other drugs. Maybe you think tobacco is more harmfull than it really is and when i says snus if worse you get the idea its something super dangerous.
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Feb 19 2009 09:20am
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I dont think you get cancer or eny other shit easilly from tobacco, alcohol, snus, amfetamine or eny other drugs. Maybe you think tobacco is more harmfull than it really is and when i says snus if worse you get the idea its something super dangerous.


Yeah.

Anyways; I smoke rather often, I use snus rather often, I smoke weed rather often.

I know it's not good for you, but I'm not some straight edge fanatic.

Just need sources when I see something I don't agree on wink.gif
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Feb 19 2009 05:01pm
Quote (Espen @ Thu, Feb 19 2009, 09:20am)
Yeah.

Anyways; I smoke rather often, I use snus rather often, I smoke weed rather often.

I know it's not good for you, but I'm not some straight edge fanatic.

Just need sources when I see something I don't agree on wink.gif


Judging by some of the crazy pictures you have posted I am not surprised that you use all those "sinful" stuff lol jk wink.gif.
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Feb 20 2009 07:35am
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Judging by some of the crazy pictures you have posted I am not surprised that you use all those "sinful" stuff lol jk wink.gif.


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Feb 20 2009 07:53am
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Judging by some of the crazy pictures you have posted I am not surprised that you use all those "sinful" stuff lol jk wink.gif.


jesus healed with cannabis!
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Feb 20 2009 03:46pm
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jesus healed with cannabis!


yeah and he does look like a drug addicted hippie with long dirty hair and shabby clothes lol.
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