I dont think thats true, if he buys it from some shop they should have some warranty for it and atleast here they get those cameras checked by canon service before they sell them, allso there is warranty for them. For 30d shutter life is around 100000 and for 450d its only half that. If you buy it from some person instead of a shop you can check the shutter count with oPanda exif reader(from some unedited jpg you ask him to email you) or asking the guy to upload non edited jpg to flickr.

sorry but im going to have to laugh on that hard

This post was edited by Antichrist- on Nov 18 2008 04:17pm

ah ok well I didnt even know there are stores out there that actually sell used cameras lol Ive only seen individuals selling them online, on sites like eebay

30D:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E30D/FULLRES/E30DLL0103.HTM

XSi:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XSI/FULLRES/XSILL0103.HTM

Specifically the ISO resolution chart on the middle-right side of the image. I'm not just making this stuff up, I've never read a review that says the 30D has better IQ than the XSi. Most other forums/reviews are in agreement that the XSi comes out on top in the IQ department. Many upper-level photogrophers still choose the 30D because of better build quality, higher fps, more compatible with the better cameras (CF cards, same battery and cords as the 5D.) There will not be a profound difference between these two cameras, but the difference is there. You can't just assume a camera is inferior because it's a Rebel series camera.

hehe I think you forgot to mention that 30D uses pentaprism in its viewfinder while XSI has pentamirror so I assume 30D has better and brighter viewfinder as well

This post was edited by Futurama on Nov 18 2008 10:53pm

Probably is a bit brighter. I really was torn between the two cameras. I wanted the 40D but couldn't afford it, so the choice was XSi vs 30D. I did want the 30D, but it's about $200 more than the XSi, and it wasn't worth the extra money for me. If they were the same price I would've probably gotten the 30D. I couldn't justify spending that much more.

oh! yeah lol I would have chosen XSI too if I were you. its weird that an old camera like 30D cost that much more
for that extra 200 you could probably save for a good lens or a flash.
When I was looking for a dslr more than four months ago I check almost all the cameras out there. from D700 to Pentax K20 lol well of course I couldnt afford D700 since I was also saving money for other things so I got a 40D instead heh

so all the photos you have posted in here were taken with XSI?

short answer = best bang for bucks now is the 450D

On those sample pics 30d look really much better..

Sample pics still dont let you know the whole truth, real life usage tells the truth, iv readed dozes of comparisons between 40d and 30d from users who used both bodies and all say iq is very similar. 30d may not be like 10 times better, but its better and way cheaper. Not to mention quality of the body, usability and i bet it has better af allso, what makes the image quality raise. Giving this budget you should compare 450d with kit lens vs 30d with some better lens and then 30d would kick 450d kits ass hard.

@ Futurama
Oh, yes thanks for the glossary.
I will post my photos for sure if I got a camera (will take some time tho, need some more infos, compare with other cameras, etc).
And you're right, I'm new to those cameras and i prefer to buy a new one (except i find such a store that got "proved" cameras by canon, as Antichrist- said).

@ bergmann
I personally think its not a much difference if I pay 500 or 520, so its no problem.

@ Antichrist-
I'm planning to shoot everything I "feel". Things that got a special expression to me, you know what i mean?
Could be everything.. landscapes, cities, people
Well, as I said I always had fun making photos with my cheap camera, but if I review the photos I made its like "damn what a bad quality" (colors are some kind of dirty) and the expression of the photo doesnt come out as it should be.

@ Astragony
Your suggestion couldnt be shorter , but please leave a reason why you think that way, since there are still some diskussions about which is better (30D or 450D)

Correct me if I'm wrong.

If i understand right XSi = Canon 450D (Rebel XSi)
Theres something confusing me




In first case 30D is about $200 more than the XSi, in the 2. case 30D is better and cheaper. This is confusing me :/

And could somebody explain me "shutter life"?
Is it like "after this amount of photos the camera will break"?

Regardz Chris