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i want pro's and con's on these cameras
also personal feelings on these,please do not post telling me to get a different camera,the choices are these and if you dont like just leave the thread


SONY A300k
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CANON REBEL XTI





i have the chance to get both for very good prices and i cant decide which i should go with


the rebel xti is a little more expensive
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I have the Sony A300.

I can't really think of anything right now except that it has some what of a poor appetite for ISO under certain conditions.
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Quote (kratos @ Mar 20 2010 06:00pm)
I have the Sony A300.

I can't really think of anything right now except that it has some what of a poor appetite for ISO under certain conditions.


i heard it gets alot of noise at higher iso settings
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i heard it gets alot of noise at higher iso settings


It gets a lot of noise from medium iso settings....
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Quote (CitizenScuba @ Mar 20 2010 06:12pm)
It gets a lot of noise from medium iso settings....


rofl

well i found a nikon d40
not the best but its what ive done all my old photography with and i loved it
not to mention i photoshop everything i take anyways so it really dont matter haha

thanks for the help guys
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js7RzcdDcMs

This might make someone laugh. Made me laugh.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js7RzcdDcMs

This might make someone laugh. Made me laugh.


lmfao! Good one! Though I have seen wedding photographers walking around with Rebels and kit lens in the real life which kinda makes me wonder...

I have to admit that I have tried and failed to shoot indoor low light portraits and even action shots with a slow lens :cry: :blush:

This post was edited by Futurama on Mar 20 2010 10:07pm
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I currently use the REBEL XTI. From my experience, I can tell you the pros/cons of it!

CANON REBEL XTI

Cons

- It only goes up to 1600 ISO (wish it could go higher). Using the highest ISO sometimes gets you a really noisy picture, especially in dark pictures. I found it frustrating.
- If you like the whole LCD Display thing, this camera does not have it. You have to look through the view finder, like many other cameras, to take the picture. I also kind of missed this feature, but I got used to the viewfinder as well.
- When using the built in flash in a dark room, such as glow bowling or at night, it likes to flash a lot to find it's focus, and then it flashes AGAIN to take the picture. This is frustrating if you do not have an external flash to use instead. Who wants to be blinded, in the dark, by this lightning storm? A flash was the second thing I bought for my camera.
- Those are about the only things I dislike about it so far, but I am quite happy with it nonetheless

Pros

- It's great for beginners, I learned a lot from it
- It's Canon?
- I don't know ... I like it other than those couple of reasons! It's a camera, it does what it's supposed to do :lol:

This post was edited by Chantal7 on Mar 21 2010 12:55am
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Quote (Chantal7 @ Mar 20 2010 10:55pm)
I currently use the REBEL XTI. From my experience, I can tell you the pros/cons of it!

CANON REBEL XTI

Cons

- It only goes up to 1600 ISO (wish it could go higher). Using the highest ISO sometimes gets you a really noisy picture, especially in dark pictures. I found it frustrating.
- If you like the whole LCD Display thing, this camera does not have it. You have to look through the view finder, like many other cameras, to take the picture. I also kind of missed this feature, but I got used to the viewfinder as well.
- When using the built in flash in a dark room, such as glow bowling or at night, it likes to flash a lot to find it's focus, and then it flashes AGAIN to take the picture. This is frustrating if you do not have an external flash to use instead. Who wants to be blinded, in the dark, by this lightning storm? A flash was the second thing I bought for my camera.
- Those are about the only things I dislike about it so far, but I am quite happy with it nonetheless

Pros

- It's great for beginners, I learned a lot from it
- It's Canon?
- I don't know ... I like it other than those couple of reasons! It's a camera, it does what it's supposed to do :lol:




Chantal:

No disrespect to you or Canon but high ISO is overrated. About 10-% of the photography population actually NEEDS high ISO. These are sports, action shoots, surveillance which often happens at night and other such specialty applications. Not sure why so many marketing men push "high ISO" just as the "megapixel war" is full of shit too ...

Most professionals choose to employ lighting in some form and when they want the light to blend, they just lower their shutter to match the ambient so that it's near indistinguishable. This allows the use of a lower ISO which ALWAYS equates to a better photo than a high ISO no flash picture.
Of course, there are a thousand scenarios. In fact many high end cameras made by Leica and the new Mamiya MF camera only shoots up to somewhere around iso 1000.

An fyi, many cameras, probably most cameras pre-flash to find focus when using the pop-up. So while it's listed as a con here it likely will be in just about any brand one decides on.

I hear more about Canon [lack of] quality control than any other, but mostly in some of their high end cameras. But still. Saying it's Canon is comparable to saying "it's a BMW?" ... yeah they are nice, but they ARE NOT the only option and they are subject to recalls like everyone else. One may be impartial to the BMW but the Lexus may have a better performance record or Lexus may put out a sleeker looking model. One should not choose a camera based on the lettering on the outside of the box but on the specs of the camera and if getting into photography should actually be researching different systems of cameras to gain some understanding, knowledge and a better sense of what they want. When I decided on a camera outfit, I researched ALL the major and almost major brands. I knew that just because Canon had the highest sales, followed by Nikon didn't mean they offered the best or what I wanted. I just knew instinctively, as a business person, that there marketing and positioning in the market was the best and largely responsible for their popularity,(every manufacturer today can make a good camera). They have a higher marketing budget and many camera mags cater to them because the mags survive by their checks received from these big companies.

This article is how I go about purchasing.

http://bitsofdata. blogspot. com/2009/12/7-tips-for-purchasing-camera-equipment.html

Again, no disrespect as I know this forum is first a Canon biased forum and next a Nikon biased forum ... but I wanted to weigh in and hopefully instill an objective look.

This post was edited by Solarves on Mar 21 2010 09:11am
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@Solarves

I don't know much about professional photography but I do find good high ISO performance extremely important and I do use high ISO settings often like concerts, indoor events and most importantly pets. I don't use flash because I don't want to annoy or startle the subjects though I do wish to use fill flash more often when shooting outdoor. Correct me if I am wrong but the kind of photographers you were referring to are mostly in fashion and commercial photography business who shoot mostly in studios with fancy lights and stuff. :D

I only use Canon stuff but that's only because most of their professional lenses are cheaper than Nikon and they offer more primes, I could be wrong though :p but I do wish Canon makes cameras like D700 which is a quite affordable full frame with very sophisticated AF and high speed.

As for BMW and other German cars. I don't know how they are doing here in North America but I know a few years ago they published a quality and customer satisfaction report in Sweden, Europe that shows the most satisfied customers are those who drive Japanese cars and the quality of those cars are higher than those overpriced and overrated German POS :p

This post was edited by Futurama on Mar 21 2010 04:03pm
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