The MMR hasn't been reset so players with a high MMR kept being matched with high MMR players. Carrying is only possible if you have at last 2 okay players.
If you are forced to play Healer and your entire team sucks you cannot carry. Look at reddit several high level players of other Mobas complain that they are stuck with idiots throwing the game on 3x ranks.


Having your assasins being morons turns into something like that:


You can obviously guess what happened by the stat screen. Kael is too stupid to see zera and got killed several times, Raynor gets focused.
Mostly Butcher and Zera got taken down as well and the rest better AoE use and Azmodan setting generals on lanes.

And pushing was impossible when I got the punisher on 10% HP to make it out but the rest is dead only surviving because we took down 1-2 as well.


The most simple way to carry a game is to play your assasin, warrrior or spec properly. Tyrande can carry in HL on some maps but that's it.

I can give many examples no matter what rank you reside every rank has complete morons. Players having only like 3 heroes over level 10 and pick one of those no matter what TC.
Players picking the new heroes without any experience. In HL you really need to pick wildcards because you already know that every TF is lost unless they have noobs in their placementmatches.



Nova is crap in HL. I can't wait bans hopefully we get an internal ban I will always ban Nova.

Nova cannot carry in high ranks.
Nova doesn't lane. Nova has no escape and triple tap is easily body blocked in high ranks meaning the only way you can make nova work is to stun via ETC/Gaz and use the AoE ULT.

Characters you really can easily carry the game even your team sucks in HL are TLV, Murky, Sylv, Tyr, Sonya, Leoric, Falstad,Mura and Joh.

Stealth characters are meant to be counters.

Other characters are really difficult to carry cause they suck in the meta or are easily focussed.
Especially skilled TLV are heavily underrated in HL. They null the level difference of a bad game or create an advantage.

On high ranks the hate shifts to certain characters and other picks build around usually "Bad" picks. I had opponents in Duoq once that totally build around illidian and we won only because we had an incredibly good TLV player.

If you came from LoL, Dota, or HoN
It's a VERY dumbed down MOBA, but the different maps and objectives make the gameplay really unique and fun

I feel like you just saw the word nova and stopped reading LOL.

Plus, throwing this out there, Nova has a higher win rate than Syly, Falstad, Tyr (assuming you mean tyrael) and Mur ... So meh..

This post was edited by DrLatBC on Nov 13 2015 01:53pm

High MMR players arent being matched with high MMR players. High MMR players get punished for having a high mmr. We get low MMR teammates to average out the team mmr.....Srey (Top MMR player from September and #3 MMR for last month) made a HUGE post on reddit last month about this fact. It is the reason Blizzard changed the max Q time limit from 6 min to 10 min.

The only way you can reliably get in games with high MMR players is if you search during "primetime" AND search when you know some other high MMR players are Q'd up. Even then, you don't always get matched vs eachother. I know because I have tried it.

If you look at my last 2 HL games, I (~4000 MMR) was duo with my friend Zik (`3500 MMR) and we got on a team with a guy who was rank 11 and had 2300 MMR. It was infernal shrines and he auto locks TLV even though we already took Sonya and Sylvanas....meaning that we either get no assassin on our team, no support on our team, or we have to solo tank as Sonya which is AWFUL. Despite us telling him this, he still goes vikings and suckfeeds all game. But guess what? I carried the shit out of those noobs because Sonya is one of the absolute best heroes in HL for carrying shitters. Even though I had a moron on my team, I still won. This is what you need to do if you want to increase your MMR.

People don't understand that HL is a completely different game from any other hots gametype.

If you don't draft well you lose.
If you don't lead your team of morons you lose.
If you don't carry you lose.

It only takes you not doing 1 of those things to lose a game, despite you doing the other two. Now, you might wonder "How can I lead my team?" Well, that is pretty easy....you make really good plays early, get some smart ganks in, and be reasonable. Even then...you will still have a retard off being retarded....that's okay, you know why? BECAUSE THE OTHER TEAM IS FULL OF RETARDS TOO.

People always act like they do so great and then lose cause their team sucks...but what they fail to realize is the other team has the same toxic/stupid/new/low mmr tards as your team does...so all you need to do is become the king of the retards and lead them to victory and you win.


I think I have around 600 HL games played on my account....with around 400 of them played in just the last two months alone....with all this HL spamming I have been doing I have learned that YOU WILL LOSE GAMES YOU SHOULDN'T. Lots of games are lost because your teammate is shit. That's just how MOBA's work. It was no different for me in LoL. I would still lose games going 19-4. You can't change your teammates (Other than a duo partner) but you can change how you approach the game and play the heroes that give you the best chance to win.

I'm 18-4 with Jaina in HL
~60% win rate with Sonya with around 100 games
~60% win rate with Leoric with around 100 games
~60% win rate with Nazeebo/Raynor as well

Play the best heroes, get the best results. If you don't want to do that then that's your choice, but a big part of winning or losing comes down to the draft, if you fuck it up then don't feel bad when your team loses...cause you could of done something about it.


Oh, and with that being said, I can look at the SS you provided and tell you that if you expect to win solo q games playing as Johanna then you're being unrealistic. You can't carry a team of bads nearly as well with a warrior like that...regardless of whether or not it's a "good" meta pick.

Good post Perserverance1.

The biggest issues I see are what you describe

1. teammates tunnel visioned into one champion even if we already have two tanks (wtf) they still take a 3rd tank, with pick 4, because they know the char (%#&*%^&#$%).
2. teammates in and out of AFK which is worse than just fucking disconnecting altogether. They use up the afk timers, doing nothing , then the game switches it to a bot for 10 seconds, then the player reconnects, rinse/repeat. I literally lost back to back games because of this the other day. Both times it was the healer. I mean how can we go into group fights when the enemy has healers/tanks and my team has 3 assassins + tank or 3 tanks + assassin with afk/bot healer?
3. people getting pissed early on and just fucking off the rest of the game.

I hate hate hate how this game basically insures if you have one awful teammates, you have a very small chance of winning. Not saying you can't carry, but its hard as fuck to carry in some cases depending on map/enemy team makeup/your team makeup.

Yup, you're definitely gonna lose some that you shouldn't...but when those situations happen I try to remind myself that I have probably won some games vs better opponents that I shouldn't of won as well due to annoying little shits like you describe being on the other team.

The bottom line is that...if you solo or duo Q then the WORST you can get is 3 or 4 retards on your team. But the other team, not having you and your duo (who presumably aren't retards) could get a worst case scenario of ALL 5 being retarded. Now, I've played games with 3 retards on my team with 5 retards on the other team...and even when my team has the biggest retard, it's still usually a stomp fest because I can do roaming ganks with arthas/jaina or something and get my team to level 10 when the other team is only 8.....and even a giant retard can (usually) press R in a team fight and win.

When it comes to bad teammates, it's all a numbers and statistics game, and as long as you aren't a bad teammate...at the very least, you will have 20% less retards on your team than they other (statistically speaking, of course).

When you DuoQ you get other DuoQparties as well. It's either everybody solo or 2 2 1. Never 2 1 1 1


No there might be 1-2 mismatches morons that queue the same time you do.
I take a long break on the Result screen and only queue when I see the moron of last game being in another game already.


The kill screen means nothing. When you properly destruct structures and they only kill you will still win.
On some PVE maps it's a better solution to ignore early objectives and create a hole on one lane.


There are stable heroes that are forgiving like Lilli, Naz and so on.
Other heroes are much stronger but it requires strangers to adapt and I wouldn't build around an Illidian because that would be a complete failure if Illi is garbage like the majority of Illiplayers.



Push the lanes to remove ammo so the towers and keeps fall to lanes and annoy the crap out of the opponents. Do camps on the opposite side of the objective.
It's HL they mostly don't leave 1 behind to kill mercs or push back lanes.
You see stuff like HL 1 TL Rank 20 so you know that they suck.


In high ranks many players use Hotslogs you can use this during the picks to see if you got retards on your team.
In your opponents case it might be enough to grief a muted player. They often go AFK or Ragequit.

In the end you can make all the excuses you want, but the bottom line is the best players (who actively play HL) are always concentrated at the top. They all face the same challenges you do. We all get awful teammates....the only person holding you back is you.

So the game I was just in. Quick match, entire side of my team is lvl40 players, and one level 8 Raynor. The other team is all level 40's. GG Matchmaking right?

So its punishers which means objectives are pretty fucking big. Dude literally PVE's the entire game and doesnt respond to groupmembers, doesnt join big fights etc. All game long we are still managing to win. have all their forts down etc. Well of course as the game goes on they get more and more objectives as 5v4 in group fight is gonna eventually be too much.

So of course we lose because our dude was a level 8 PVE'er who didnt even talk/respond to group and was our primary DPS.

You can say all you want about top players but until you pass a threshold of MMR you are always at risk to have one crap player. You cant always guarantee just because you have a crap player means the other team doesnt.

We almost won our game with effectively 4 people.

Lets not even talk about the Illidan I was grouped with last night who went 1-19 and had 6k hero damage. FML

Your mistake is that you think there is some magical MMR threshold that brings you into the enlightened realm of MMR heaven.

Go watch the State of the Game broadcast that Blizzard hosted during blizzcon. They tell you straight up that their matchmaking system doesn't work like that. It literally pairs anyone together who gets the teams close in "team MMR" regardless of how low the player is.

Do you know what that means?

It means the higher your MMR...the lower the MMR of your teammates. So as a 4k MMR player I am playing with lower MMR teammates than many 3k MMR players do....

Also, trying to use QM as an example is pretty silly. Look at my QM match history. I've been in games with 3 rank 1 players vs 3 players who aren't level 40 yet...and we lost. I'm one of the top 200 players NA...and I lost a game to a level 24. Now I'm sure the first thing you will do is try to say that maybe I'm bad or blah blah blah....but if I am so bad then why did Foerest/CarlTheLlama ask me to sub for their team in scrims today? Why did UnitedTerror ask me to sub for an ESL tournament he was invited to? Why do all of these high rated players want to play with me if I am bad?

You literally sit here and act like you're the only one on the planet who gets bad teammates. You want me to prove you wrong once and for all? Give me your account info and I will boost your account by a few hundred MMR for free. When you see that I can do it without issue, maybe you'll realize that what I am saying is accurate and true.