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Sep 25 2018 10:54pm
Old topic messed up with graphical presentation and after talking to staff member, I was suggested to create new topic with updated information.

Suggestion is to make it possible to choose which tabs are visible on Guild page. Some of the tabs contain no useful information for most, like Trade Rank or Group if there are no Scammer tagged or Meditator/Trusted people on this list. It would make a lot cleaner overall look.

For example, I don't want to have ranks for my guild members for reasons, hence it would be nice to be able remove that tab completely instead of just playing with invisible characters to create blank ranks and still have that empty tab cluttering page.
In previous thread there were few opinions posted which I quote here. Some of the opinions are valid and all but keep in mind it does not just affect Ranks tab. Guild Owner or other user with granted permissions could hide or show any tab on the Members List.
I personally would only have Last Seen tab visible from all of them. Personal taste of course but why not give this option to users if it is possible to implement.

Votes in previous thread were 3 for Yes, 3 for No and 1 for Perhaps with some modification (without posting what modification it would need). This time I go with two voting options only and if you are torn between the two, post your suggestion without voting or null your vote.



Hope you like my idea and thank you for reading!

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From old thread:


Quote (LindeRKV @ 1 Jun 2018 15:59)
Quote (Phyerox @ 1 Jun 2018 15:05)
Just speculating here but I believe most guilds use their ranks, so that is probably why there has not been any interest in this.
To be 100% honest yours is the first guild I have ever seen without ranks. I can see how this would make the guild page cleaner for those who don't use ranks, but again, from what I have seen it's not many. :p
I'll hold off on voting for now to see what others think.

Yes, of course. Disabling Ranks tab was just a part and example of whole suggestion. I am suggesting that you could set any tab on Member List to show/hide.


Quote (LindeRKV @ 2 Jun 2018 17:23)
Quote (beacon @ 2 Jun 2018 17:07)
Not necessarily a bad idea, but I guess I'm just trying to figure out why you'd want to hide some of these fields? None of the fields seem irrelevant to me, really.

I mean, I guess Guild Points are redundant to someone who aren't interested in Ladder Slasher, but I've never looked at a roster and wanted to hide any particular tab, personally.

For myself, I don't see the point of having Group, Warn, Trade Rank nor Joined tabs there. I don't personally care about warn % of my guild members and don't have any of the mods or trusted/meditator people there so it just clutters the page.
Personally I would only have Last Seen tab visible since it is only one that provides any useful information.

Guess it is matter of taste/choice but my suggestion is to give ability to choose to guild owners.

Thanks!


Quote (LindeRKV @ 2 Jul 2018 11:53)
Quote (Cel @ 2 Jul 2018 10:25)
Voted no because of the following reason:

You could give guild members ranks which are racist/discriminating or whatever. While they are not able to see it because they simply don’t have the permission to change rank settings or because you removed the column for ranks with your suggestion.

Also if you uncheck all options the entire guild list would be completely empty and would look like an unfinished lackluster.


If no one can see this discriminating rank then why is it important? It is basically same as insulting someone in thoughts.

I would say judgement on looks is subjective and would be nice to have choice to modify it to what looks good in my eyes. Instead of having page full of lackcluster of unimportant content what it is right now.

I value your opinion and second point is pretty valid but still subjective. If this site would update by that mentality, we would have no orbs, themes or anything.


This post was edited by LindeRKV on Sep 25 2018 10:54pm
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Sep 25 2018 11:02pm
they had something similar for the "warn" tab column to enable/disable but it never worked and they just recently took it out.

would be cool to see an option to enable/disable all columns like you showed here though.
Since average users are regular members, unranked on jsp, I always thought it was redundant to have the list make us view columns that are not relevant to the guild pursue - maybe keep the warn %'s I'm sure the site will want the warn to effect it's use in guilds as well


- voted yes

This post was edited by Lpot on Sep 25 2018 11:02pm
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Having owned a guild for awhile I enjoyed having visuals of all of these columns to stay on top of things / assign authority / check-in with everybody.

Not trying to play Devil’s Advocate, I think it’s a great idea but I don’t see how it’s needed. I’d hate to have a group of good people within a guild and have reputation tarnished over somebody being Scammer tagged / high warned because of a BNP loan/rage and it goes unnoticed because these tabs were off.

On the flip side my inner minimalist would love to just keep things simple and have only names available just for aesthetic purposes but from a owner prospective if you have certain guidelines you want people to represent I wouldn’t want any surprises.

A big part of Jsp is the user to user transparency with not being able to delete/hide/edit preset things and I think this potentially could be one of those things that are better left untouched.

I’m holding off my vote for now, however I’m struggling to see how this would be beneficial/utilized.

Will check back soon :)

This post was edited by Sn0 on Sep 26 2018 12:05am
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Quote (Sn0 @ 26 Sep 2018 06:04)
Having owned a guild for awhile I enjoyed having visuals of all of these columns to stay on top of things / assign authority / check-in with everybody.

Not trying to play Devil’s Advocate, I think it’s a great idea but I don’t see how it’s needed. I’d hate to have a group of good people within a guild and have reputation tarnished over somebody being Scammer tagged / high warned because of a BNP loan/rage and it goes unnoticed because these tabs were off.

On the flip side my inner minimalist would love to just keep things simple and have only names available just for aesthetic purposes but from a owner prospective if you have certain guidelines you want people to represent I wouldn’t want any surprises.

A big part of Jsp is the user to user transparency with not being able to delete/hide/edit preset things and I think this potentially could be one of those things that are better left untouched.

I’m holding off my vote for now, however I’m struggling to see how this would be beneficial/utilized.

Will check back soon :)


Well, I have a great solution to offer to solve those problems with Scammer tags - you don't have to hide this tab in your guild. :)

There are strictly closed guilds that don't have this issue with its members - like mine where I don't accept just about anyone.
Plus, you can't hide your tags/warns from user page so I don't see how this affects transparency. I don't want it to be forced option to clear out guild page, I want it to be an option and mainly because I am also minimalist - I don't like excess clutter when it could be avoided.

It is needed about as much as any profile or guild customization - there is no real benefit except for those features that put Forum Gold back to bank. But it is nice to have and would give extra means to make your guild truly yours - have it look like you want it to look.

If this is not clear, I completely agree with your reasoning behind having negative impact with Scammers and excessive warns unnoticed but it should be up to guild owner whether he/she wants to hide any or all of the tabs or not. If you have purely any other game guild than Ladder Slasher and have 100 members with no GPs then why have that tab on guild main page? :D

Thanks for insight!


Quote (Lpot @ 26 Sep 2018 05:02)
they had something similar for the "warn" tab column to enable/disable but it never worked and they just recently took it out.

would be cool to see an option to enable/disable all columns like you showed here though.
Since average users are regular members, unranked on jsp, I always thought it was redundant to have the list make us view columns that are not relevant to the guild pursue - maybe keep the warn %'s I'm sure the site will want the warn to effect it's use in guilds as well


- voted yes


I have thought about those Group and Trade Rank tabs long time ago but it was only now when I decided that I don't need ranks for people in my guild and there is no reasonable way to remove them other than play around with invisible characters and then have empty column there.

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Sep 26 2018 10:36am
I'd use this and I see no down side to it.
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Sep 26 2018 10:53am
Quote (King Atrhur @ 26 Sep 2018 16:36)
I'd use this and I see no down side to it.


My only hope is that it could be implemented for you to use.

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Sep 29 2018 07:15am
no. its good to be visible.
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Quote (do_NaUKI @ 29 Sep 2018 13:15)
no. its good to be visible.


I promise this suggestion in no way suggest you have to hide all or any of tabs.

But while at it, please explain why is it really good to have Group, Guild Points or Joined tabs visible? For me as a guild owner, they provide no useful information whatsoever. If anyone thinks this information about my guild members should be visible to them, they can click on user profile and see themselves.

If you vote in one way or another, give me some valid reasoning or just null your vote, please.
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